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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

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Yddraigoldragon · 16/06/2026 20:50

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

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RedTagAlan · Yesterday 10:27

Calliecarpa · Yesterday 10:08

You complained about people using whataboutisms, then used a whataboutism.

Well...yes. Obviously. That was the entire point.

Re Catholic priests, there was, and still is, loads of people saying whatabout the Anglicans, whatabout the local authority homes ?

Huh, weird, because my understanding is that Anglicans are also Christians. Were/are threads on MN full of people endlessly deflecting to other religions and going 'buh buh buh butwhaddabout Muslims, butwhaddabout Hindus?'

I don't know about here, but I used to read politics dot ie, and that forum has lots of folk saying "whatabout" whenever an investigation into Catholic clergy is discussed.

Everanewbie · Yesterday 10:31

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 10:27

I don't know about here, but I used to read politics dot ie, and that forum has lots of folk saying "whatabout" whenever an investigation into Catholic clergy is discussed.

I can only talk about my experience anecdotally. But if comments and commentary from prominent journalists attempted to zoom out and broaden the conversation then they are wrong too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 10:32

Did you actually grasp the point being made? Whataboutery is silly and deflects from the real issues. This is a report with a narrow focus, rightly or wrongly. Putting aside the political element. Sometimes, due to resources or other factors, investigations need to be precise in their scope and parameters. This particular criminal phenomenon has been dismissed, handwaved away and swept under the carpet for decades. That time is up.

ChestnutSquash · Yesterday 11:21

LBFseBrom · Yesterday 01:20

CaesarAugusta · 17/06/2026 08:47
Unfortunately it was utterly predictable before the report came out that it would focus on immigration issues. A report which ignores or downplays the existence of white rapists isn't really worth bothering with.
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I quite agree.

The report was about a specific issue. Pakistani rape and trafficking gangs. Why would it be expected to include other groups of rapists in this report?
I don't disagree that there should be inquiries into all trafficking/ domestic violence/ rape/ but it isn't useful to try and include every single group in one inquiry and report.
The reason this needed another inquiry was because of the silencing of whistleblowers and victims and the failure to heed the findings of previous inquiries.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 12:49

Calliecarpa · Yesterday 10:08

You complained about people using whataboutisms, then used a whataboutism.

Well...yes. Obviously. That was the entire point.

Re Catholic priests, there was, and still is, loads of people saying whatabout the Anglicans, whatabout the local authority homes ?

Huh, weird, because my understanding is that Anglicans are also Christians. Were/are threads on MN full of people endlessly deflecting to other religions and going 'buh buh buh butwhaddabout Muslims, butwhaddabout Hindus?'

No there were not.

I think it would come across as racist if, in response to discussions about abuses within the Catholic church, posters were saying "what about Muslims?"

Almost like a deflection ... hmmm.

Imnobody4 · Yesterday 12:51

PollyNomial · 18/06/2026 19:43

Not what he said and neither of us are mind readers to be able to reliably impute that nuance onto it.

As the history of these isles predate Christianity by some millennia, if he's going to respect that, he should not be trying to force that (other) middle Eastern culture on our citizens. And even if you do think we should import that, you have to decide which flavour because the original arrival wasn't the church of England.

He's a fraud basically.

Why can't we acknowledge we are a Christian country. There are many Islamic countries in the world. Some of them are persecuting Christians right now.

Calliecarpa · Yesterday 14:03

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 12:49

No there were not.

I think it would come across as racist if, in response to discussions about abuses within the Catholic church, posters were saying "what about Muslims?"

Almost like a deflection ... hmmm.

Absolutely. Imagine the uproar if, in response to the inquiry into abuse by Catholic priests, someone on MN wrote something like 'A report which ignores or downplays the existence of Muslim rapists isn't really worth bothering with'.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 14:07

Calliecarpa · Yesterday 14:03

Absolutely. Imagine the uproar if, in response to the inquiry into abuse by Catholic priests, someone on MN wrote something like 'A report which ignores or downplays the existence of Muslim rapists isn't really worth bothering with'.

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It’s a ridiculous argument isn’t it.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:21

ChestnutSquash · Yesterday 11:21

The report was about a specific issue. Pakistani rape and trafficking gangs. Why would it be expected to include other groups of rapists in this report?
I don't disagree that there should be inquiries into all trafficking/ domestic violence/ rape/ but it isn't useful to try and include every single group in one inquiry and report.
The reason this needed another inquiry was because of the silencing of whistleblowers and victims and the failure to heed the findings of previous inquiries.

And silence still from some quarters.

Imnobody4 · Yesterday 14:34

I don't know if this has been linked to already.

RCEW comments on Rape Gang Inquiry Report | Rape Crisis England & Wales share.google/sBDO1wmD5HWVrmNhD
Restore Britain’s report Rape Gang Inquiry Report launched on Tuesday (16th June 2026) highlights institutional failures to meaningfully respond to and support survivors of group-based rape and sexual abuse. This report states that the “root cause” of this particular form of sexual violence and abuse is “immigration”. The report is focused on Pakistani Muslim men’s group-based offending. cont......

I stiil haven't seen any main stream reporting

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:38

Rupert Lowe was interviewed in Makerfield last night waiting for the count, which I caught the tail end of, he challenged Laura Kuenssenberg (sp?) that the BBC hadn’t reported on it or the issue, and she said they had covered it adequately which is clearly bollocks.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 14:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:38

Rupert Lowe was interviewed in Makerfield last night waiting for the count, which I caught the tail end of, he challenged Laura Kuenssenberg (sp?) that the BBC hadn’t reported on it or the issue, and she said they had covered it adequately which is clearly bollocks.

I haven't seen them covering it. Can't have been very prominent if they did.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 15:12

I think she meant their coverage of grooming gangs rather than Lowe’s report, but that’s been woeful.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 15:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 15:12

I think she meant their coverage of grooming gangs rather than Lowe’s report, but that’s been woeful.

Ah ok - but why aren't they covering Lowe's report?

They ought to do so, especially now the by election is behind us.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 15:46

I agree. I’d settle for an even handed fact check, where they make clear that yes 250k figure has been extrapolated but that the issue is still a grave problem and an indictment on multiple successive governments, police and local authorities.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 15:47

I think this would be responsible, and maybe defuse tensions. It’s not going to look good if they ignore it all.

ilovebrie8 · Yesterday 16:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:38

Rupert Lowe was interviewed in Makerfield last night waiting for the count, which I caught the tail end of, he challenged Laura Kuenssenberg (sp?) that the BBC hadn’t reported on it or the issue, and she said they had covered it adequately which is clearly bollocks.

The woke BBC are utterly biased they need to be de funded. Laura K and Fiona Bruce are shameful!

Their reporting is skewed beyond belief.

BBC is full of lefties and some …not a credible news source and hasn’t been for a long time. It’s like living in a communism controlled state the way they report.

It came out this week that they planted illegal migrants on Question Time and they were coached prior to the show on how to answer . Not a surprise at all it was so obvious they were plants and reading off their phones and had ear phones in telling them what to say …then they got them to ask Zia Yusuf a question about deportations.

it’s funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.

Same last night they said a 3 year old ended up in a Crocodile pit, nope he was thrown in no confusion he didn’t just end up in there. They down play constantly and inaccurately the reporting is a joke.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 16:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 10:32

Did you actually grasp the point being made? Whataboutery is silly and deflects from the real issues. This is a report with a narrow focus, rightly or wrongly. Putting aside the political element. Sometimes, due to resources or other factors, investigations need to be precise in their scope and parameters. This particular criminal phenomenon has been dismissed, handwaved away and swept under the carpet for decades. That time is up.

Agree, I hope the defeat of Reform and Restore at Makerfield doesn't enable our ruling class to turn a blind eye to the grooming gangs all over again. There's nothing they want more than to sweep this under the carpet again.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:38

Rupert Lowe was interviewed in Makerfield last night waiting for the count, which I caught the tail end of, he challenged Laura Kuenssenberg (sp?) that the BBC hadn’t reported on it or the issue, and she said they had covered it adequately which is clearly bollocks.

The BBC would do anything to bury this story.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:03

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:01

The BBC would do anything to bury this story.

Have they said anything at all?

cookbookjunkie · Yesterday 17:05

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 16/06/2026 21:33

I've started looking at it. The language is surprisingly emotive for a professional report (understandable given the subject matter but nevertheless surprising for a report of this nature).

The foreword by Lowe calls for the death penalty, which obviously we currently don't have.

I have a bad feeling about the likelihood of Lowe trading on these terrible experiences for political capital.

Is that better or worse than the bad feeling you should have about this Labour government dismissing, minimising, prevaricating and ultimately failing to carry out a fair and thorough public inquiry in order to protect their own arses and for the sake of 'social cohesion'?

impartialusername · Yesterday 19:25

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq61717mde6o
this story in the news today after reading the victim statements screams groooming victim to me.
the report keeps referring to her ‘boyfriend’.
I don’t think a 41 year old Muslim having a 16-19 year old girlfriend he beat and somehow she was pregnant with someone else’s child add up to me!
surely this is a grooming coverup

A close-up of the face of a young woman. She has dark curly hair, and is smiling at the camera.

Van driver who crushed girlfriend in Oldbury guilty of murder

Lily Whitehouse died hours after visiting her premature baby in an intensive care unit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq61717mde6o

TheGreatDownandOut · Yesterday 20:20

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