Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Feel free to read the January 2016 thread I linked for a real time overview of it all. Or start a new thread and ask about it. I’m not indulging your disingenuous questions here.

No and they're probably dead at this point. That's a comfort to me.

That is awful, I am so sorry for what you had to go through. It is obvious that the authorities in this country do not use their resources correctly to deal with these horrific crimes.

The Guardian has lost a lot of credibility. They still report things but if it doesn't suit their agenda they will downplay it or skew their reporting. The Guardian has haemorrhaged readers.

That thread was started on 5 January 2016, the same date as the article I found.

I read through the first ten pages of the thread and there was a single (unanswered) question whether the guardian had published an article in those 10 pages,I didn't notice any other reference to that paper.

Apologies because I'm obviously missing something but it's not jumping out at me.

There are networks of pedophiles and rapists of every ethnicity, but to be able to summon 20-30 friends and relatives on short notice who also want to participate is pretty uniquely part of a very different culture.

There's a class hatred bubbling under the surface as well, white working class girls were ignored.

Exactly. See also: Wi Spa.

Every print publication has haemorrhaged readers, the guardian is not unique in that regard and I'm not sure which paper is the largest loser (numbers or percentage). I think this change is largely a function of competing content being freely accessible online.

Are The Guardian and BBC saying much or anything about all this?

Ik I could Google to see

I'm pleased you have that knowledge and fully undetstand how it brings you comfort.

I very much doubt he has any say so as to who one of his sons has married, so having a daughter in law in Libyan descenct is neither here nor there as a means of signalling that he is or is not racist. My father was a racist, one of his brothers was married to a Jamacian women and my dad had to button his lip when they came round. He said nasty things when they had left but nothing to their faces.

The mutliple rapists of Gisele Pelicot suggest otherwise. Vile men are everywhere, they have different victims and different methods of concealing their crimes but the hatred, contempt, and objectification of women and girls is the commonality

It has been a saddening read, especially for the FWR board.

Sammy Woodhouse advocacy will NEVER be diminished by her talking to get the justice she deserves, whomever she may talk to.

How can some of you claim that her plight and experience should be put second behind "optics" or because RL etc etc etc?

Labour is losing women, Labour women don't see all women.

talking about the fact that Pakistani muslims are a minority of about 6% in the UK, yet some of the males from this demographic systematically raped, abused, terrorised and even killed vulnerable white girls-does not make someone racist.

He had to go online and post on an anonymous forum.
They only had to go through their contacts, talk to their friends or relatives.

Not the same scale. Don't minimise.

We know that. But as far as I remember nobody has threatened /silenced Giselle Pelicot or shut her down by accusing her of racism.

They are getting a lot of stick about it on their Facebook pages.

Exactly this.

He appears very happy that his son is married to a (presumably) Muslim woman.

But that accounts for nothing, what matter is what you imagine he believes and acts in private?

Lowe seems happy enough with his DIL, he posts about various happy family events occasionally.

He's from a business background where presumably he's met many good immigrants/non-white people and critically, they probably were global elite types who know how to be civilised and integrate into a British workplace. His DIL's family seem to also be global elite types - her father works for a Washington think tank etc. This milieu is not the same as a Rotherham kebab shop...

The online groyper types who follow him have a, er, shall we say wider set of views? "Remigration is the moderate option - get in the boats or get in the ground" is something I've seen quite frequently.

"Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence."

And? Why is that a problem?

Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the ruler of Dubai.

Would it be controversial for him to say he wants Dubai to be a Muslim country full of Asians?

What if the leader of an African country said ' we want our country to be black and Christian'

What if the Leader of Japan said they don't want to lose their Japanese culture and want the country to remain mostly Japanese?

You'd think 'yeah, that makes sense. The Japanese people are what makes Japan, Japan. It would be weird to visit Japan and everyone be white and talking with a Liverpudlian accent'

Its not wrong or weird to want Britain to be recognisable as Britain from it's inhabitants!

What I've found disturbing is everyone's reactions. I think people are overdoing it and losing credibility.

I saw one tweet that said Bonnie Blue became an Only Fans prostitute because... she grew up near....Pakistanis..?

Just lots of hysterical stuff and emotional exaggeration that discredits legitimate concerns made about mass migration. If your only source of news was Twitter you would think Pakistanis are all going around raping everyone in Britain. Its like a very unhelpful wave of Islamaphobia brought about by the Tommy Robinson crowd. Most recent waves of immigrants to the UK come from India, China, Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe. Yet Tommy Robinson and Restore/Reform love to go on making everything immigrant based about Muslims. Only one of those countries listed is a Muslim one and there's a lot of evidence to suggest on average Muslims commit crime at about the same rate as native whites. Sometimes less so.

If the grooming gang men had been following Islam surely they wouldn't have been consuming drink and drugs and what they call free mixing.

We have got to be really careful here. Is it Islam to blame or is it a cultural problem that seems to run throughout South Asian cultures regardless of religion. Maybe a bit of both? Misogyny is rife in India eg.

The British used to be a reasonable, truth seeking people interested in foreign cultures were becoming parochial paranoid hobbits.

Dubai, a Muslim country, is probably a far safer place to live currently than the UK. Something has gone wrong here

I always find it funny how Muslim countries tend to not bow to this idea that as a countey you have to be open and tolerant to other cultures. Any woman in most muslim countries dressing 'provocativly' would no doubt be arrested. As would a drunk man. Even a gay couple being openly flirtatious.

They do not pander to other cultures on their own soil.

But when they move somewhere everyone has to be respectful of their culture and provide halal options and places to pray and they don't get their women to wear western clothes (like women are advised to cover themselves over there)

Funny isn't it?

No, it’s not “funny,” but it’s also not relevant.

Do you think that the young women and girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan get treated the same as women in France?