Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Did you not mention Lowes daughter in law to suggest personal circumstances make the man immune to holding certain views?
I was simply drawing your attention to a man who you would no doubt feels gives lie to that.

And if someone said Zack Polanski hates Jews you would probably bring that up as a counter argument. Just as someone has brought up Rupert Lowe's Middle Eastern family to counter your accusations against him.

It seems to me that Lowe has compiled a valuable collection of women's testimony about their experiences and - also importantly - about the systemic failures to help them. And it also seems to me that some people are very aggrieved that their ideological opponent might have done something good and that the information might run counter to their ideology.

So be it.

Hashtag all lives matter

Nobody is saying that groups of men of all ethnicities/ cultures/ races don't commit horrific organised crimes and assaults on women and girls. Awful cases are in the media every single day.
It took decades for the crimes in the catholic church to be exposed, but eventually we got there.
What frustrates me, and others, who have known about this particular scandal for decades, is the constant denial and whataboutery based around accusations of racism. Statistical evidence shows that race/ethnicity/culture of these perpetrators and victims is significant. It needs to be acknowledged and addressed. It is the reason this has been excused for so long.
It is my understanding that this was a cross party committee. I don't care who chaired it.
Previous enquiries over decades have produced the same facts and testimonies.
What is it going to take?
Half a dozen men in West Yorkshire were found guilty a couple of weeks ago. Everyone in the area has known for years who they were and what they did. They represent the tip of a huge iceberg.
One of the best known heroin dealers in the area has been going for decades. He is teflon coated.
I don't believe for one second he wasn't involved in supplying heroin to rapists.

This particular gang needs to be dealt with as well as all the others, not shelved again because some people are uncomfortable.

I have to say I'm glad I'm not a politician who is trying to walk the line of public acceptability re: immigration/remigration at the moment.

"If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do."

There is absolutely no evidence of "white Brits" in their tens of thousands, running grooming gangs, targeting thousands of white underage girls, raping and abusing them, whilst being protected by the authorities. You obviously have some evidence of this, so please post the links.
Meanwhile, I have been married to a lovely woman from Iran for over thirty five years, she was not at all surprised that this was going on, because Iran has borders with Afghanistan and Pakistan and women and girls would never travel alone in those areas.
Males from that part of the World, have a very different view about behaviour to women and girls than males do in the West. You are obviously unaware of the 2015/16 New Year's eve sexual assaults in Cologne (and other German cities).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults

It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s unhelpful. The women who took part walked away from the government inquiry because they weren’t happy with how it was going. You can sneer at Lowe all you like, who cares. I’m not going to defend him or his party. But those testimonies are powerful. And it gives them a voice. It’s like Let Women Speak, which many people also think is unhelpful.

And you won’t concede that the left exploit serious issues for political gain, but of course they do. All politicians do. It’s basically what politics is about. It’s a broad point. It doesn’t only apply to people you disagree with. I’m not sure you’re truly grasping or engaging with that point or that this exchange is adding much to the discourse so I’ll leave it there.

YY.

It could have been done better. Especially if the proper authorities with their resources had done it in good faith rather than as a whitewashing exercise. But it’s something that focuses on this issue entirely.

For people who read the Guardian it wouldn’t be surprising that they wouldn’t know about the NYE Cologne sexual assaults (a general point, not aimed at pp), given their disgraceful treatment of it.

This is a good post and I agree with you. I’m sorry you went through that

Labour MP Jess Phillips comparing the Cologne sex assaults to women being heckled in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35440954

Jess Phillips is absolutely terrified of her constituents.

Yes I remember that. Extraordinarily tone deaf, dismissive and crass.

Agree with this. The Casey report stated that the fear of being called racist and Islamophobic played a part in the cover-up. Instead of calming the situation, it just causes more anger.

If we don't get a grip on this, we'll start electing far right politicians, which has happened in Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Spain.

Clearly I wouldn't bring that up as a counter argument, would I, when my whole point is that a person's individual circumstances shouldn't be seen as some sort of guarantee of their attitudes? You can't decide in your own head what I'd say then use it to argue against me.
Either Lowe can't want a white Christian UK because his daughter in law is not British AND by the same token ZP can't be antisemitic because he's Jewish, or we allow that those things are irrelevant to both men's stances.
Anything else would be hypocrisy.

Yes, the msm including the Guardian and the BBC do everything they can to minimise and downplay anything that doesn't suit their agenda of promoting immigration and multiculturalism.

It took less than 30s to turn up this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks and there are many other articles on its website. So easy to disprove.

Mate, I remember what happened at the time. I didn’t say they didn’t cover it at all.

Genuine question, because I honestly do not know.

Are there any published policy documents re promoting immigration and multiculturism ?

It’s not just me who thought it, if you ask lots of women here why they stopped reading the Guardian, their treatment of the attacks in Cologne would be near the top of the list.

So you’re saying that their readers don’t read their publication? A novel interpretation of readers that…

They stopped reading because they reported on them?

Sorry, I was unclear. This subject is very triggering for me. I was only referring to the type of rape and abuse, not the scale. The scale of the Pakistani grooming gangs is horrific.

I was trafficked from the time I was young. I've known many other trafficked women because I sought them out for support.

There’s a part 2, but here’s a contemporaneous Cologne thread that probably some people reading were on - not going to be gaslighted about what happened and the woeful media response by people who don’t know what they’re talking about doing a 5 second google.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/2541548-Mass-sexual-assaults-in-Cologne-on-New-Years-Eve?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

I'm so sorry for what you've endured. Were the people who abused you ever prosecuted? Please don't feel pressured to answer though, only if you are comfortable discussing further.