Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

'But if you continue to focus on Rupert rather than the issue, you’ll quickly remove it’s intent'

Sadly I expect that is the aim of many people, some on this thread. Labour Party acolytes.

@Yddraigoldragon This is probably worth putting in general Chat or similar - it's a UK issue, not just a 'Sex and Gender' discussion / issue.. Labour would like it tucked away here of course.

As we imported ourselves to countries like Pakistan, they must have become like us, no? Or maybe that's just racist bile.

Where on earth did I say I was blaming the victims? Have you read the victims account? It is a fact that in many many cases the victims had unstable home life or were in local authority care. This is a factor in how these men then groomed the children offering gifts and attention. Let me reiterate I place no blame whatsoever on any one of these victims. It is the perpetrators and the authorities who are to blame.

Because they don't understand anything.

All it does is give victims a voice. That's important and hopefully cathartic to the victims but without a rigorous examination of why several institutions failed them, history is doomed to repeat itself with fresh victims.

I am astounding that on mumsnet there are only 45 posts! Our country is broken - this is a war crime. Please, please wake up to what has being done to our most vulnerable children. Minimising such depravity and pointing fingers at one of the only politicians to take action is quite frankly sickening.

Did nobody else raise an eyebrow at the inquiry stating:

It has been previously established that, at the very least, 250,000 young white girls have been subjected to repeated rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, pregnancy, forced Islamic conversion, and lifelong trauma.

And then later explaining that figure comes from “extrapolating nationally the Jay report on
Rotherham and other reports from Telford and Oxford, there appear to have been
upwards of 250,000…”

So it has in fact not been “established,” it’s been estimated?

I’m all for enquiry, establishing of fact, and consequences, but claiming something is a fact before explaining that it actually isn’t doesn’t fit that criteria IMO.

The enquiry also does very little to discuss the many, many other areas those girls were failed in. Many of them were abused in their own homes, often by stepfathers, which increased their vulnerability and propensity to being groomed.

That doesn’t excuse the overall behaviour of the grooming gangs, but is it also calling for the death penalty for the men in their households, and schools, who abused them?

I don’t believe it is.

A war crime? No.

So the victims aren't worth bothering with because their rapists weren't white? Is that really the position you're taking?

I'm glad the grooming gang scandal is coming to light. Cover-ups just make people lose faith in the system. This has happened in dozens of towns and cities across the UK and those that want to push the multicultural agenda have done everything they can to sweep it under the carpet.

It won't wash any more.

Real person here 👋

Its not 'bananarama' to say I'm surprised (and disappointed!) about the way it's been written. I used to write documents for the Government. I was expecting better - more fool me, perhaps.

I hope it still gets traction such that some kind of justice gets done for these appalling crimes. 149 local authority areas affected, i believe it said. From coast to coast, not just 'the north'.

Its possible to hold both these thoughts simultaneously.

What did you think of the foreword and recommendations?

One of the parts I was most incensed by (if its possible to say that) was the police dismissing primary aged girls who had been raped, as 'child prostitutes'. There is no such thing. Giving kids money after you rape them doesn't somehow make it ok and that needs to be fully accepted and understood by the police.

Its not just race that's an issue here, its plain old misogyny.

Sadly yes... this is entirely why these men were allowed to perpetuate these crimes.
Because nobody is allowed to criticise Islam or any other race without the usual cry of racist/fascist/far right.

Yes, the whole thing is a total racket, which these clan based grooming gangs have used to their advantage.

One of the parts I was most incensed by (if its possible to say that) was the police dismissing primary aged girls who had been raped, as 'child prostitutes'. There is no such thing. Giving kids money after you rape them doesn't somehow make it ok and that needs to be fully accepted and understood by the police.

You'd not be surprised to discover that some of these girls were given criminal convictions for prostitution....rather than acknowledging the trafficking and rape.

And the 'whataboutery' with the church. I am Catholic. Its fucking disgusting what happened in the church. Again itbwas a systemic cover up, it was exposed and got the exposure it needed and deserved. Everyone of those priests and nuns will rot in hell for what they did and the Church has never been allowed to forget, rightly so.

In EVERY case of systemic child abuse everyone involved must be brought to justice. At every opportunity possible.

This is not happening in the Rape Gang enquiries. No social workers, no police officers. These girls and their families begged for help. BEGGED. And were told they would be arrested for Racial Aggravation if they continued to draw attention to what was happening!

The police took girls back to their abusers!!

The police reports have multiple instances of blaming 12/13 years old for being sexually promiscuous and 'prone to handing out sexual favours'
To 40 years old men!!

And it was more important to the police that 'racial tension' wasn't raised rather than helping those poor little girls.

This is a direct consequence of 'be kind'.

We had it with the Trans debatacle. We were kind and it bit us on the fucking arse.

And its the same situation with Islam. We tried to be kind. We tried to be accommodating. To be understanding of other cultures. And this is where we are now. At a point where girls are being raped, stabbed in the neck, intimidated and innocent young men who have been stabbed are arrested as a point of priority over life saving treatment because they might have said a racist word.

And I can tell you right now, that if any white woman on here supporting Islam when to an Islamic country and tried to push Western ideals onto anyone there you would last 10 mins before being thrown in jail or worse.

Diversity only works one way and it is destroying our country and our freedoms.

It’s not a professional report. Baroness Jay’s report was a professional report. If you look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooming_gangs_scandal

you will see lots of high quality inquiries with shocking evidence.

All the facts are known, with relatively little outrage at the time and coverage mostly in broadsheets and on the BBC. There was even a drama made about it on the BBC - Three Girls - after extensive coverage on news programmes.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rgd5n

But following that there has been relatively little actual action on the boring, hard but necessary stuff fuelling all this - eg children’s homes being constructed in large cities rather than on cheaper land far from children’s support networks.

This is the nub of it. If you wish to actually keep children safer from those who would seek to exploit them, you need to move to stage 2, which is changing things. It’s important to note (and hard, given how awful this abuse has been) that internationally we are seen as a beacon of good practice in child safeguarding. We’re much better at it than most countries. A side-effect of that success is it’s all out in the open. If you don’t turn over the rock, you don’t see all the earwigs running for cover. But even our better-than-most effort is still beyond crap. Until recently, everyone ignored this (pre Esther Ranzten) and it was swept under the rug.

This isn’t to be complacent. it’s actually the reverse. There is more abuse than we see in these reports, which concentrate on one element of child sexually abuse - where it intersects with Pakistani-diaspora cultural views on the sexual availability of white working class girls - but there are many, many more ways men justify raping kids. And the countries which claim not to have a problem? They’re just not looking.

Mass systematic rape IS a war crime. How else would you describe it? These girls were targeted due to their race and religion.

Incapable? Never visit Southern Spain. Or Turkey. Or look at London's mayor. Or the solicitor in the CPS who first prosecuted these gangs under starmer. Or athletes like Mo Farah. Or...

We are not at war. HTH

You are really trying to use Khans London as an example of successful integration? 🤣🤣

I truly struggle with this viewpoint. Is it so hard to be able to read the stories of victims, think about them, and separate them from the opinions and angles of the report’s author(s)? This skill is taught in school, or at least was at mine!

A testimony is a testimony. It is not hard to take the facts stated and come to your own conclusions. Unless you are implying the actual stories of the victims are lies? I suppose that’s what happened to these girls for decades, so it seems feasible you may do the same.