Dozens of men discuss ignoring single sex space rules

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https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1u1webq/is_anyone_here_actually_going_to_follow_the/

as mentioned in other threads, I really am concerned about compliance. I know it will never be 100% but am concerned about what blatant non compliance may lead to

You know, I didn't mention the hands thing because I didn't want to make things confrontational by suggesting men are dirtier than women. But yeah, I thought it.

How more clothes? You either have on undies and a skirt or trousers. Pretty much same as a man. What the hell are you wearing?

What i see women do in the toilets is spend ages at the sinks.

You can wish it wasnt the case but this is what women are typically doing that takes so much longer.

LOL.

Are you hoping to get women to talk about what clothing they have to remove and how they go to the toilet?

Er...no thank you.

Mate, can you really not think this through for yourself?

Firstly, time at the sinks isn't time taking up a cubicle so it's actually totally irrelevant anyway.

Now that's clear, back to the point.

Think through opening the flies, hoiking out the old fella, having a pee, tucking back, flushing if design applies, and (hopefully) washing up and walking out, and then think through the steps a woman will take to perform an equivalent evacuation.

Don't forget your handbag!

Yep, I saw that as well.

@TheHateUGive is welcome to talk through how they use the loo if they want to though. We can compare, contrast and critique. Scores for style, technique and originality.

I have never groomed myself in a public toilet. Not even reapplying lipstick. Mainly because they smell. If men are using them they’ll smell more because they piss on the floor and down the front of the porcelain.

women have no choice but to wipe up piss or sit in it. Or if they’re fit enough hover. I can’t hover. We have unisex toilets at work and they’re disgusting. I’m sick of my shoes being in piss, bottom of my trousers. The men will use their male privilege and stand so won’t care about piss on the seat. And add to the problem.

It’s scientifically proven with hospital studies internationally and here. One study put sensors on toilets and sinks and measured the difference between men and women.

The other looked at pathogens in hospitals here.

Another study looked at flush plumes with lasers. If you are in a unisex/universal toilet with a sink inside, the previous occupants flush plumes are on the sink and dryer. Another microbiologist found that because of microbes building up in wet warm filters, by using a hand dryer you may end up with more microbes on your hands than not using them at all. It’s much more hygienic to have sinks outside the toilet cubicle.

Here’s the uk hospital one:
salus.global/article-show/pathogen-findings-raise-concerns-about-move-to-unisex-hospital-facilities

I genuinely appreciate your research @Keeptoiletssafe. But some of the findings make me want to heave!

I'm not at all anxious about my health, but...flush plumes...eeeuuuwww

Oh my god. I always knew dryers were a bacteria breeding nightmare but never thought about them being in the cubicle making it worse. Right, that’s me stopping using the toilets at work.

Can we sort this out by saying we'll have the girly womanly female feminine dame spaces, and the frigid hateful bitches space? Label whatever is required, give women who want a single sex space the third spaces, they'll very gladly suck up the 'othering' and 'segregation' all day if it means a usable space without a man in it.

Except of course, this won't do for very obvious reasons that prove that accessible provision is not at all the desired goal of these men.

Wheelchair users have little option, and there's never a lid on the toilet either. 😖

It has made me keep my toothbrush in a different spot 😁.

Seriously, the photos of some of the public toilets that have been closed down are horrendous. I have so much respect for the cleaners.

Yes. The state of accessible facilities can be appalling. They need to be the best kept and most monitored. There’s a charity called Euan’s Guide that sells little cards you can put on the alarm pull cords to say please leave me down, because they can be left tied up a lot.

If people use accessible facilities they could be a help by making sure it’s left it a better state than they left for people less fortunate.

Lol

I am asking what these layers and layers of clothes you have to remove to pee are. Do you wear petticoats and slips most days?

Yeah I do it several times a day.

I take down my undies and pull up my skirt/dress or pull down my trousers. I pee, wipe, stand up and pull everything down/up and then wash my hands.

A man does pretty much the same. Men from my culture wipe the same as we do. All men at least shake. Some men even sit down to pee.

I have no idea what you do that would take you much longer than a guy. It might indicate a doctor is needed though

Has Aida got a new account?

😂

@TheHateUGive Your fixation on this is strange. Just leave it.

@whatonearthdoidoz Anyways I don’t really care either way. I think if a man wants to assault a woman they are probably not going to be put off by rules one way or another. So I don’t feel like this is the hill to die on - doesn’t make me feel safer one way or another
Please be realistic Dr Beth did not physically assault Sandie Peggie but he sure gave her a hard time.
Where would you draw your line or where should we draw our lines?

Was that thread on the back of your eyelids?

My fixation on asking what these layers and layers of clothes that women wear that men do not?

I suspect that it was a bullshit reply and now the person concerned cant actually expwlain what they meant because it was, as I said, bullshit.

I'll ask again anyway. What are these many more layers you wear as a woman that men do not wear?

Sexual assaults? Vanishingly few.

Men make up over 95% of sex offenders and trans-identified men are overrepresented as sex offenders in prison.

What about trans women in the general population? Are they more likely to be violent criminals?

Or is it just in prison where the person may have transitioned after they were imprisoned and so were never female presenting in public?