Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

[happydappy2]

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

Nor will your gaslighting.

You are doing the opposite though.

You're taking women's stories of being abused by men and saying 'nah, the men are more important here'.

I do listen to them.

What I hear is that gender expression can encompass multitudes.

What I don't hear is that humans can change sex.

Oh you again. I’ve never said that. I too and a survivor - I support trans rights because, not in spite of, my own experiences of trauma and violence.

You don't support women's rights to single sex spaces though.

Why not?

Why can't men deal with whatever trauma they have in separate spaces away from women?

Why are you always privileging men's demands over women's needs?

Because trans women are women

We all know that utter nonsense. Including you.

Why do you keep lying to justify prioritising men's demands over women's rights and needs?

You may believe that. I do not. Trans women are women. If we want women to be safer we need to do that for all women - cis and trans. We are stronger together.

The DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of 'transwomen' is that they are men.

We can't be dealing with liars.

in what way are trans women (male people) women? I just can't square that circular thinking. Please explain how trans women are women.

Presumably @Kate8175 thinks these men changed sex then.

When? How?

Here we go again….

You say there's nothing stopping any man from claiming to be a trans man and entering women's bathrooms.

What was stopping men before from claiming to be trans women? Really?

When we're not allowed to challenge someone regardless of how they present, even if they are male in male clothes with a male style and exhibiting male behavior, then how are we supposed to tell which men really identify as women?

What you're saying is not a new issue - men have always been able to claim to be something they're not to access women's spaces. The only difference now is that TIMs aren't welcome, and suddenly it's an issue.

TRAs have been saying for years that men aren't going to claim to be women just to enter a women's toilets, and now you think they're going to claim to be trans in the other direction to do it?

Well quite

We are waiting for your answer ...

I don’t respond to gender critical demands. You have your beliefs. I have mine. Simple.

In your view is a transwoman a woman just because they say so or is it someone who takes cross sex hormones or maybe only someone who has had genital surgery

all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you,

All the parents I know tell their children to find a staff member of a shop if they get lost. A random lady isn’t very safe. The memory of 12yo Lola is strong. Raped and murdered by a 24yr old woman just steps from her front door. Not a transwoman/male but a female all natural woman.

So you want to take women's rights to single sex spaces away from them, but you won't explain on what grounds you think men can become women.

Wow, that sounds enlightened 🙄

Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

No. The biggest demand for breast implants in men are for men who are having reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy from breast cancer. Men are more likely to need a mastectomy as breast cancer is caught later at a more advanced stage as there is no regular screening.

https://www.breastcancer.org/types/male-breast-cancer/treatment

Yaaawwwwwwn. Your repeated demands and circular arguments are so dull.

im tired. Night night… have sweet terfy dreams

So you still want to take women's rights to single sex spaces away from them, but you won't explain how you think men can become women

What a betrayal of your own sex.

It’s interesting that currently women don’t mind sharing a space with ‘transmen’ but this is supposedly the big threat.
That the scarey transmen will be back in the ladies and frightening everyone. Despite being generally quite petite and noticeably less oafish or gangly than the average man.

Why don’t transgender people poll women and ask what they would prefer? Trans men or trans women in their spaces? All this bluster with no research at all.

edit: got rid of the word you, I’m not sure who that was aimed at!

I would have thought that an intelligent liberal feminist would have had a decent stab at an explanation. Whatever could be the reason that Kate doesn't do this? One of life's mysteries.

No, I'm.saying it's far easier for sex offenders now, if you accept the logic of your own argument.

And the ruling means trans guys with full beards who previously would quietly use the Gents are now going to be in the Ladies.

The idea that cis men had to dress up to go into women's toilets was always nonsense. As I say in my post, cis male sex offenders go where they want and always have.

This was the problem many in the WI had. They were fine with trans women but objected to trans men joining.

Using slurs isn't an argument btw. It's just transphobia, and means I'm far less likely to take you seriously.

Oh. Right. I see. Chinny reckon then, innit.