Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

Lol I have not used a single slur.

It is no easier for sex offenders. They could walk right in before and women had absolutely zero recourse to ask them to leave without accusations of transphobia and threat of harm or being 'cancelled'. They can still do that now, but at least we have the guidelines in place to state that we can legally confront them, because they're not supposed to be there.

So it's ridiculous to say that men would claim to be trans to get into women's spaces on the one hand, but also totally a valid argument that men would claim to be trans to get into women's spaces? The argument is inconsistent.

Also, polite online discussion does not involve telling people you don't take them seriously or accusing them of any type of 'phobia'. I don't hate trans people. Not one. I hate certain aspects of a very specific ideology which harms women.

TIM is a slur against trans women. If you're happy using that, aware that its meant to hurt trans women, then you're transphobic.

Calling trans people existing an "ideology" is also transphobic. It's naked hatred of a minority. People are individuals, not a hive mind.

People who respect minorities don't use slurs, simple as.

You're ignoring my point again: trans men are being forced into women's spaces, and by your argument anyone male-looking isn't welcome.

Policing appearance won't make anyone safe because sex offenders are opportunistic and wait until its quiet, targeting lone women. The idea they have more success by putting a dress on first is ridiculous. Once they're away from the scene if a crime, they want to blend in with the crowd & disappear, too.

Trans women don't exist for sexual reasons, they're just trans.

Thanks for cheering me up though. It's been a bleak day, but the idea of someone being "cancelled" in a toilet is just too funny.

I think if someone was dressing up as a woman only to lure children away a padded bra would work just as well if breast implants were banned

Wow you are really reading into everything I'm saying, and implying I've said or meant things that I've clearly not. It's clear you either didn't read or didn't understand a word of my post.

Please try not to always take offense to everything, and to accept that others can have differing viewpoints that don't match yours without there being a single shred of hatred behind it. If you always assume the worst from everyone, you'll drive yourself mad looking for purity.

People who you disagree with are also people.

'Trans identifying male' - sorry, I'm not seeing the slur: they are by definition male, only males can become transwomen; and the identify as transgender.
And 'ideology' is 'naked hatred of a minority'? Is that what it says in your dictionary if you look up 'ideology'?

You're really looking hard for slurs, and in the absence of any, turning ordinary phrases into slurs.

I don't get all this talk about men being still as dangerous because they do or don't put on a dress to enter women's spaces where there are now entitled to be.
You're overcomplicating the issue: where spaces are designated for women, that means biological women, and specifically does NOT mean biological males, however they describe themselves.

Things are probably less complicated, and less slur-filled, than you seem to think!

Acknowledging that trans people are individuals, and not offering theories as to why they exist, is respectful. Claiming they are something else, is not.

I'd suggest reading more trans voices. It's Pride month, so why not start?

Oh, please. I heard racists and homophobes use that argument last century, we all did.

TIM is a slur. It's used to demean trans women. The abbreviation 'tw' is there, but few on here use it, preferring the slur.

Calling people - individuals - an "ideology" is also a slur. It's used to dehumanise trans people and to construct conspiracy theories about them.

Objecting to trans people - and their families - reacting to those slurs is transphobic too.

You don't get to tell minorities which words are hate speech, and using that hate speech is a choice.

FGS, it's a free country. If men want to get cosmetic surgery to look more like women, that's their right. Their body, their choice.

It's a very slippery slope when you start legislating what people may and may not do with their own bodies.

Jesus.

They exist in the same way as any other humans exist. I'm not sure what you're looking for here.

They STILL don't change sex.

Trans women are women.

End of.

Oh god, here we go ...

Is this supposed to be a joke?

End of what? Engaging our brains?

for people who say it's their body they can modify as they want, this quickly becomes an absurd idea when you look at most things besides gender. if someone wants to cut off their ears and stick them somewhere else on their body, is it okay cause they want to do it? like nah dawg. society has just legitimized body mutilation for the sake of a mental condition under this one ideology.

And a woman is - what?

That's not an apt comparison. Nobody does what you said for cosmetic reasons, But breast implants are a common body modification. So is ear piercing. Some mods are acceptable and some aren't. If women can get breast implants, men should be able to, too. You'd have to ban them for everyone, not just one sex, otherwise that's discrimination.

Cis or trans. Both are.

Trans women are who they say they are.

But a "cis" or "trans" what? Define "woman".

Do you not know?.Bless.

If the male in question was actually female, he would grow breasts naturally during puberty. This example man of yours wants to be female, but is not, therefore needs a surgeon to help him decieve himself and others.

I know what I mean by a woman. But if you think a transwoman is a woman, you are clearly working to a different definition of woman altogether. So what definition are you using? What is the difference between your definition of a woman and your definition of a man?

This is just an argument for breaking down gender norms and expectations, not for strict "trans rules" that force people into the very male/female binary that trans advocates are counter-intuitively, always trying to establish. If a child is born with a DSD, imagine how much more comfortable their lives could be without gender norms. That child could literally just be themselves without issue. A biological boy with a DSD, or who just had a strong inkling towards what is understood to be the feminine end of the gender spectrum could dress, speak, play, be in whatever way actually aligned to his inner self, without it being necessary to totally identify with and conform to equally demanding female gender norms. This is so important because society as a whole is never going to accept wrong-sex identification. And without those strict rules of masculinity in place, he could accept his body, and get on with being the best version of himself. No need to force people to lie about his sex. No need to force women to share their spaces. And, we GCs like to think, probably less violence and suicide because the incessant policing of gender norms would cease. But, and this is the key, women remain in need of our specific sex-based provisions because we have a biology that is designed for reproduction and this makes us vulnerable, less physically strong in most cases, and susceptible to violence and exploitation. These social conditions are unlikely to change any time soon.
It is the gender norms that are the problem. Take away all the rules about appearance, behaviour, preferences and "identity", but remain in acknowledgment about the reality of sex differences (and inate sexual attraction). I think (some of) those who identify as trans are maybe trying to fight gender norms, but are completely incorrect in their approach.

So if these men are white, but they say they're black?

If they're human. But they say they are cats?

If they're in their 50s, but they say they're 12v

They are who they said, right?

I don’t use “TW” because they are not women in any way shape or form. TIM is factual. I could call them “men pretending to be women” if you prefer?

Reckon you're confusing me with Google there love :)

Answer your own questions, and listen to trans people. You might learn something.

Listened to transpeople. It’s how I turned from a trans ally to a full on TERF. So they’ve only got themselves to blame really. As you can’t seem to come up with a reasonable alternative definition, we must assume you also believe woman is adult human female, you’re just too upset to admit it, as it just confirms males cannot be women.

Are you an ethnic minority?