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So it seems likely the EHRC guidance will be issued tomorrow Thursday 21st May …

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RhannionKPSS · 20/05/2026 16:55

That is if The Human Paperweight that is Philipson can make her mind up. What should we expect?

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IwantToRetire · 21/05/2026 03:01

Phillipson to ban trans women from female toilets

Equalities minister to publish official guidance after ordering ‘tweak

The guidance was written by the Equality and Human Rights Commission and submitted to Ms Phillipson in September, but she requested several revisions before agreeing to publish it.

It is understood the EHRC has agreed to make a number of “tweaks”, including adding more examples on how organisations can ensure trans people have access to toilets and changing rooms while ensuring women’s facilities remain single-sex.

Sources close to Ms Phillipson said last month that she had asked the EHRC to ensure there was clarity for all kinds of services and that the code was accessible and robust. “We have always supported the protection of single-sex spaces based on biological sex,” a source said.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/20/phillipson-to-ban-trans-women-from-female-toilets/

Also at https://archive.is/aXsWh

(If this is all that has changed why has it been months of waiting. What stupid game are Labour playing?)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/20/phillipson-to-ban-trans-women-from-female-toilets

IwantToRetire · 21/05/2026 03:03

IMO! Should this actually happen tomorrow suggest a new thread that goes straight to what is said / published. So we can discuss the new "reality" as devised by Labour.

Hmm
hholiday · 21/05/2026 05:00

Assume the creepy blokes won’t stop until some of them are actually arrested and charged over this. Which presumably, and despite police reluctance, they could be. And thanks to all the foot-dragging and social media outrage, it’s likely to be a much bigger story than if they’d just followed the law in the first place.

SexRealistic · 21/05/2026 06:16

Article in the Times. Just ran out of subs. Sad times.

Men not allowed in women’s spaces. Happier times. Looking forward to it.

PinkHairbrushClub · 21/05/2026 06:22

I was thinking the same @hholiday and have for a while. Until we go back to male behaviour that we’ve seen being treated as indecent exposure and criminalised nothing will really change. The risk has to be directly to them as well. Sadly I think it might look like:

Offending behaviour
report to police
ignored by police
escalate
ignore
escalate
ignore
more crowdfunding to force police to do job

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 07:10

PinkHairbrushClub · 21/05/2026 06:22

I was thinking the same @hholiday and have for a while. Until we go back to male behaviour that we’ve seen being treated as indecent exposure and criminalised nothing will really change. The risk has to be directly to them as well. Sadly I think it might look like:

Offending behaviour
report to police
ignored by police
escalate
ignore
escalate
ignore
more crowdfunding to force police to do job

The only way to deal with this is to make it a criminal offence and I genuinely think that is where we will go

PachacutisBadAuntie · 21/05/2026 07:31

StillSpartacus · 21/05/2026 07:09

The Times article doesn’t really add anything to the Telegraph information. Single-sex space guide to be published after year-long delay

https://www.thetimes.com/article/b0750d21-426a-45d5-8cee-9578e33c6d9c?shareToken=c50f94e15c9e6dc84008aab158fb1614

I guess we need to carefully go through the actual guidance when it’s published no doubt at 4:59.

Has a poll though (image any time now...)

So it seems likely the EHRC guidance will be issued tomorrow Thursday 21st May …
NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2026 07:38

PachacutisBadAuntie · 21/05/2026 07:31

Has a poll though (image any time now...)

Tiny minority, eh Burnham? 🤔🙄

Taztoy · 21/05/2026 07:44

The only way for single sex spaces to be enforceable is for it to become a criminal offence to enter one for the opposite sex without lawful excuse. And guidance stating what lawful excuse entails. And then eleventy million court cases to thrash the law out.

But what we have at the moment is useless, primarily because a subset of men won’t be told no.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 21/05/2026 07:47

IwantToRetire · 21/05/2026 03:01

Phillipson to ban trans women from female toilets

Equalities minister to publish official guidance after ordering ‘tweak

The guidance was written by the Equality and Human Rights Commission and submitted to Ms Phillipson in September, but she requested several revisions before agreeing to publish it.

It is understood the EHRC has agreed to make a number of “tweaks”, including adding more examples on how organisations can ensure trans people have access to toilets and changing rooms while ensuring women’s facilities remain single-sex.

Sources close to Ms Phillipson said last month that she had asked the EHRC to ensure there was clarity for all kinds of services and that the code was accessible and robust. “We have always supported the protection of single-sex spaces based on biological sex,” a source said.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/20/phillipson-to-ban-trans-women-from-female-toilets/

Also at https://archive.is/aXsWh

(If this is all that has changed why has it been months of waiting. What stupid game are Labour playing?)

The Telegraph article was already posted late yesterday evening, and archived:

Archive:
https://archive.ph/aXsWh

You must have missed it. So you've made another archive of the same article.

RhannionKPSS · 21/05/2026 07:48

OhBuggerandArse · 20/05/2026 23:42

That's not to the guidance is it? It's just to the Telegraph article. On reading it doesn't seem they have much more than had already been figured out on this thread.

It will be issued later on today, number 15 on the list of what coming up in H of Commons

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PinkHairbrushClub · 21/05/2026 07:48

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 07:10

The only way to deal with this is to make it a criminal offence and I genuinely think that is where we will go

Thing is there are already offences that cover the behaviours we see but men are not being prosecuted. If the police won’t enforce the law because of the ridiculous view that men can be women we’ll have to force them to based on truth. I’ve followed your posts about your school and I can see that at some point we’ll have to force police to deal with things the way you’re having to force the school.

Somehow it’s worse when the right laws exist, they’re just not enforced for one group!

RhannionKPSS · 21/05/2026 07:50

Have a look at the list of business for today in House of Commons , it’s number 15 almost at the very end of business

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EmpressaurusKitty · 21/05/2026 07:53

Taztoy · 21/05/2026 07:44

The only way for single sex spaces to be enforceable is for it to become a criminal offence to enter one for the opposite sex without lawful excuse. And guidance stating what lawful excuse entails. And then eleventy million court cases to thrash the law out.

But what we have at the moment is useless, primarily because a subset of men won’t be told no.

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At the moment they’re encouraging each other to lie about their sex & keep using the wrong toilets. I wonder if there will be any more urine-related protests.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 21/05/2026 07:53

Until we go back to male behaviour that we’ve seen being treated as indecent exposure and criminalised nothing will really change.

As Pinkhairbrush has said, I think the easiest way, at least in the short term, will be to ensure that we enforce the laws we already have. Creating and passing a new law to deal with "trans-identified male trespass " might take a very long time, and will likely get scuppered by successive changes of government along the way.

Not that we couldn't try, just that we have plenty of laws already, as Pinkhairbrush has noted. Trespass, indecent exposure, voyeurism, etc. The challenge is to get it taken seriously (as it used to be), and for the police to do their jobs.

Myalternate · 21/05/2026 07:55

I’m not confident that the guidance will be published today. Ms Phillipson will find an excuse to delay it, again 🙄

ItsCoolForCats · 21/05/2026 07:56

RhannionKPSS · 21/05/2026 07:50

Have a look at the list of business for today in House of Commons , it’s number 15 almost at the very end of business

Deliberate i wonder? Drop it at the end of the day just before recess.

Taztoy · 21/05/2026 07:56

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/05/2026 07:53

At the moment they’re encouraging each other to lie about their sex & keep using the wrong toilets. I wonder if there will be any more urine-related protests.

Exactly.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 21/05/2026 07:58

IwantToRetire · 21/05/2026 03:03

IMO! Should this actually happen tomorrow suggest a new thread that goes straight to what is said / published. So we can discuss the new "reality" as devised by Labour.

Hmm

I'm of the opinion that this thread will suffice, as we are already discussing, snd the archived media articles will all be in one place. But, if it's that important to you, why don't you go ahead and start one, just in case?

KnottyAuty · 21/05/2026 07:58

teawamutu · 20/05/2026 17:47

Last reporting on it that I saw was the Times, saying it was only minimally changed from the last version.

Not sure I dare believe it.

You mean like a teeny tiny change from sex to gender? That little change?!

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/05/2026 07:59

ItsCoolForCats · 21/05/2026 07:56

Deliberate i wonder? Drop it at the end of the day just before recess.

Oh totally deliberate! They're still terrified of the TRA

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 21/05/2026 07:59

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/05/2026 07:53

At the moment they’re encouraging each other to lie about their sex & keep using the wrong toilets. I wonder if there will be any more urine-related protests.

Any excuse to throw their...weight around!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2026 08:00

It will be covered extensively in the media and will be hard for Burnham to dodge giving his thoughts in interviews- so that’s a plus.

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