Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

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I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

I strongly disagree with this. It's just what is considered left and right has changed.

Don't worry lots of us thing DM is pretty vile too. Please don't believe for a single second TR, or many men on his march cares about women.

Agree.

Most women support what were once the concerns of a small group of feminists. That includes women from.across the political spectrum.

The problem is, what IS the 'Left' these days? I have absolutely no idea. It is more about ideology than econmics.

What is clear is that the countries in the 'West' cannot just financially support everyone in the world. It seems anyone who says that countries need to support its own citizens first is considered far far right.

And the Left, do they ever talk about the debt countries are already holding and how much they are having to borrow just to pay off the previous interest payments? They seem to have nobody in their orbit who even understands the basics of finance and how global markets and the bonds work.

Whereas the Left are all 'open the borders and let anyone in' and 'tax the Rich' whilst also 'let the NHS kill off anyone who is disabled or ill' and 'sterilise gay kids' and 'let anyone take whatever drugs they want' and 'universal income for all'. Thinking the Rich will hang around to hand over their cash when they will literally just move all their money, and indeed themselves, round the globe and not hand over a penny. There is no economic thought or not even a flip chart with some post it notes as to how this will all work.

That is why it is utter madness at the moment. It is like a 6th form common room trying to scam over the tuck box, not a democratically elected government trying to fiscally manage a country.

Much of politics just seems to have moved into what I would called the batshit area.

This is a great summary 😂

Bat shits to the left of me, bat shits to the right.... here I am. Stuck in the middle with the majority, thankfully.

I dont think its moved left, at all, really. Labour's actual policies are barely differentiated from Tory policies.

Becoming hostage to trans rights activism does seem to be the only exception. Sadly though, it's not a niche issue. It's fundamental and represents a shift left (progressiveness) in and of itself. I can't vote for any party that wants to gaslight voters into thinking it's a kindness to enforce beliefs and permanently damage children's and young adults' bodies.

I see. So you're suggesting that when we decide whether to accept a man is guilty of an incident of MVAWG, we should be mindful that the woman may be lying because her politics don't align with his?
Should we be doing this only when the man is right wing and the woman left? Or should we be equally sceptical of the motives of GC women who accuse TRAs of abuse and assault, given that's very political too?
Or perhaps on the feminist board, it might be more in keeping with the spirit if we don't stoop to male violence apologism, and framing female victims as liars, simply because we prefer the cut of the male perpetrators political jib?

Further cementing her ideological stance

What does this even mean? You sound like you’re putting her on trial.

She was a Labour voter until Labour and the rest of left decided to adopt idiotic thinking like it was an Olympic sport.

Nowadays ‘right wing’ has come to refer to ‘wants borders, doesn’t want our society irrevocably changed by mass immigration and to be able to keep out or remove foreign criminals and extremists who hate us and want to kill us’.

Many more settled and assimilated immigrants who came here because they liked Britain and British values are also protesting the current situation. The left are so power hungry and deluded that they are the good guys, they will happily approve the disenfranchisement of Muslims by others in their community. So you can add standing up for the democratic rights of assimilated Muslims to the ‘crimes’ of being ‘right wing’

If being ‘right wing’ means being on the side that campaigns for the growing number of convicted foreign rapists to be removed from the country and highlights the absurdity of the First Lady of Sierra Leone ‘keeping a council house’ in Southwark for her kids, so be it.

She has assets of several million pounds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgzpz7zyd4o?app-referrer=deep-link

I couldn't care less whether TR "cares about women". He doesn't have any power (in the sense that he can make things happen in govt). But I am sure that they likes of Keir Starmer and the rest of his pathetic govt don't care about women (or anyone else apart from themselves) at all and that's what concerns me.

Yes, it is obvious that she sits on the right currently. Whether she would return to the left if they changed in some significant way, I don't know.

However, I would take issue with this statement: Whether that tarnishes the image of feminism in general, it’s difficult to say.

KJK repeatedly states that she is NOT a feminist. So people projecting a feminist identity on to her in order to then discredit feminism are the real problem here. Also, your framing is quite one-sided too. When you say 'tarnish the image' you are assuming that no true feminist can sit on the right. Presumably if she did claim to be a feminist then she would be burnishing the image of feminism for right-leaning people. Whether 'feminists' think that would be a bad thing or not presumably depends on whether they believe that feminism is exclusively a left-wing project.

we should be mindful that the woman may be lying because her politics don't align with his?

No I’m suggesting she may be lying because she is involved with an extreme activist group that has form for lying for political aims and has the political aim of discrediting him.

Why don’t you tell me what she claimed has happened?

All these people saying 'she's on the right now', what IS the Right now?

In history the Left would be the ones wanting the Labour Force of the UK to have the jobs, training, opportunities to work, advance, move socially up the ladder etc. Now that is a bad thing? They wouldn't want working classes to lose income to pay off massive fiscal debts, which is what this Left are doing now.

Please explain what you mean when you say The Right.

Your assumptions about his motivations are less relevant to me than his actions, which are to highlight an issue that is very important to a growing number of British people.

Why do you think Douglas Murray is ‘vile’? Is it because he reports on the intentions of some Muslim extremists to take greater power here?

One could ask whether the Gov's relentless panics about TommyR, Andrew Tate, and that docudrama Adolescence are even real, tbh.

VAWG is endemic, and they don't seem too fussed about doing anything about it. Far easier to waffle about some TV drama and a grotty wee permatanned nyaff with sticky out ears who appears to be a ridiculous cartoon villain even to teenage boys.

Grooming gangs is one thing, as is letting prisoners out of jail early, putting male rapists in women's prisons, etc.

I'm not a fan of populist uprisings, but they are pretty predictable when a populace loses faith in democracy and politics. We've been saying this for years and get attacked for being 'rightwing' for predicting pretty much all of this.

People are hacked off. Govt don't listen.

And all the righteous people can lecture them all day long on how awful they are, and every time they do, we inch further towards the UK version of Trump, which is to say, Reform, etc.

Yes, it moved to the U.S.A.

I think there are three elements to this. One is a deep, meaningful conversation about generational change in the policies and values of our various political parties. The second is just using 'right' as a convenient shorthand for tory/reform and 'left' as a convenient shorthand for lab/lib/green. The third is using 'right' or 'far right' to shut down conversations because the poster wants to virtue signal and is scared of having difficult conversations.
I guess we have to decide which version of the above is being used in any particular situation from the context.

Not just an extreme ideological group, but a group which has extensively covered up VAWG in its own ranks, including putting it about that the young women accusing its leader of rape were police spies.

It wasn't just the men in the organisation either, there were plenty of women happy to join in.

For some reason, lots of left wing women think this doesn't happen in their political tribe.

Given he pled guilty to assaulting her, I'd imagine at the very least she claimed...he assaulted her..? And that there was sufficient evidence to support her that he was advised it would be in his best interests to submit a guilty plea.
Other than the fact the perpetrator's politics align with your own, do you have any reason for wanting to discredit a female victim of male violence?
If you are here to support the far right, then you can surely do so on the strength of their superior ideology, as you see it. Casting doubt on the validity of a man's conviction for assault on a woman to further a far right agenda seems rather out of step with feminism and women's rights.

See also the rapes at the Molesworth peace camp, which you were never allowed to discuss outside of women-only circles.

His actions are about himself, gaining money and fame. He is making a vast sum of money by creating hatred and divide.

Holy smears and assumptions. Ffs.

Who, Murray? Vast sums? How? As an author?! 😂

Murray isn't that famous. I've no idea how much money he makes, to be fair. Could be in the region of the average author/journo, which is to say, fuckall.

No! Tommy many names.

Oh, I see. Does he make a lot of money?

Exactly this.