Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

[Tooting33]

I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

Well, Tooting, your WRN group isn't being run properly at all. It's always difficult to galvanise people, and kudos to TR for doing that if nothing else. Maybe could could offer to help her?

Most of the women I network with and meet at events are simply trying to consider what is best for women. Many of them are also there for child safeguarding too. So they have strong opinions on transgenderism, surrogacy, prostitution, trafficking and modern slavery, misogynistic religions, migration of males across borders, assisted dying and so on. I find it exciting to be in a situation where I can chat with women who hold opposite views and party allegiances to me. It is an opportunity for all of us to meet women that we might never encounter in the bubble of our everyday lives. Extreme views in any direction certainly get very robustly countered, though I have to admit that some of the left-leaning women tend to try to shut down conversations with the usual thought-terminating cliches rather than take advantage of a unique situation in which they can actually talk to women who disgree with them and discuss their pov.

If you have left-leaning women leaving your group because they cannot bear to be tainted by contact with women whose views they don't approve of, the interesting question for me is why aren't right-leaning women doing the same thing? Are they actually more tolerant?

The systematic rape of vulnerable British (and foreign) girls has been widespread certainly for 150 years. All that has changed in recent years is that we are doing something about it, rather than blaming the girls.

https://safeline.org.uk/news/child-prostitution-laws-uk-history/

Wasn't there a thread just like this 6 months ago after the last Unite the Kingdom march.

I can't understand way women would blah, blah, blah followed by waily, waily, waily. 🤯

I think Clare Adams nails the mood. It's not allegiance to the 'far right' it's taking a stand, a signal a line has been crossed. It's really over to the left.

https://x.com/i/status/2055915278546940192
The Electorate Has Been in a Coercive Control Relationship with the Government Since July 2024

Working in safeguarding, I deal with victims of coercive control. They describe having their concerns dismissed, being told that what they can see with their own eyes is not happening, having their finances squeezed, their identity eroded, and their freedom gradually taken away. They feel isolated, monitored, pressured to conform, and frightened to speak out. They become anxious, hypervigilant, withdrawn, and feel as though they are walking on eggshells.

Increasingly, I believe many of these same dynamics are present in the relationship between this government and the British public. Rules change without consent, dissent is treated as morally wrong, surveillance expands, and those who question the narrative are labelled and shut down. That is not what a healthy democracy feels like.

In safeguarding, one of the most effective ways to break free from coercive control is no contact. You remove yourself from the relationship and deny the abuser further access to you.

In a democracy, the equivalent is the ballot box.

Yesterday’s United Kingdom march was thousands of ordinary British people signalling that they are ready to go no contact with this government.

Not through violence. Not through disorder.

Through democracy. x.com/GBPolitcs/stat…

What Clare writes resonates for sure.

I agree that many left leaning women simply refuse to engage or stand alongside anyone who would attend a Tommy Robinson march. I agree it's a problem because women miss out on working together.

I am not sure that right leaning women are any more tolerant though - I have found that most people react badly to actions being questioned.

I don't have a problem with others but the reaction to pushback is concerning.

@Imnobody4 It's not allegiance to the 'far right' it's taking a stand, a signal a line has been crossed.

Yes, I agree with this. And once again the Left, in the form of Starmer, misses an opportunity to engage with those people.
What was the point of his 'convicted thugs' message? Who is he signalling to? He certainly isn't saying to the marchers that 'we recognise that you have legitimate concerns and we are so sorry that we have ignored them to the extent that you feel the need to associate yourelf with TR et al'.

@Tooting33 I don't have a problem with others but the reaction to pushback is concerning.

Not sure what you mean here. Whose reaction? What pushback? What are you concerned about?

Be good to hear your response OP.

And this is why there's been such a sway to reform. Starmer making clear that those people should not be given his time or his ear. His way is to threat dissenters and ignore what he sees as their unfounded complaints. It's been the same with previous governments but Starmer's sledgehammer approach isn't going to work. I imagine he would have been delighted had violence kicked off yesterday so he could make another of his one sided speeches condemning the protesters.

I think Starmer’s speech about the Unite march was aimed at making it even more awkward for Burnham to be elected.

I’m not far right, I’m not even right, but I would much rather be on that march than the one that celebrates rapists and TRAs. I don’t think the narrative of labelling everybody “far right” is helpful.

I'm in a WRN, one of the first (AKA shopper groups). We don't have leaders - we are ungovernable (I can just about keep a lid on the whatsapp debates).

We have very diverse views on things apart from children need safeguarding, you can't change sex and equality / other laws should be based on SEX not GI. We disagree freely and openly about everything else.

Almost ALL to a woman are/were lifelong Labour activists, councillors and voters. Most are now politically homeless because he professional left decided that OUR views must be excommunicated. I won't go into the very long and ignoble history as it's all well documented. Women from Lab, Lib and Greens have been EXPELLED for believing you can't change sex. (Even the Tories who were enthusiastic self-ID proponents from May to Boris did not expel GC members.) And now we are called right wing. It's a fucking joke. Victim blaming, smear tactics and yes coercive control per a PP.

Men and political parties do not OWN the copyright to left and right wing. The Labour, Lib Dems and Green leadership are the ones who became Right Wing by effectively privatising a natural resource (sex), marketing it as 'gender identity', enshrining it in law and removing women's rights. THEY are the neo liberal capitalist globalist far right.

If a so called right wing march is filled to the rafters with left wingers and centrists then...is it really a right wing march?

It's because the effects of gender identity activism impacts all women. And women support different political narratives.

I'm left wing so I'd probably steer well clear of people who support the far right. And the far left tbh. Even if they claim to be GC. I've no interest in extremists.

Well when I tried to raise concerns with one person I got a heated response as to why they felt that way without any curiosity as to why I felt uncomfortable, very much a shutting down response. Another woman who obviously considers the i racist/thug adjacent is ignored or ridiculed.

Unfortunately the coordinator for my WRN group made a comment that I can only regard as racist so I am inclined to steer clear of her. Cowardly I know.

Sounds awful, the racism. You should report to WRN. I would consider leaving and setting up another group with the other left wing anti-racist women who left.

@Tooting33 Another woman who obviously considers the i racist/thug adjacent is ignored or ridiculed.

The i online newspaper??

news.sky.com/story/nazi-obsessed-teenager-who-tried-to-behead-kurdish-barber-with-an-axe-is-jailed-for-more-than-15-years-13544366

Meanwhile, the extremist right. There seem to be increasing numbers of neo-Nazis who were radicalised online who commit murder and groom others (including children) into becoming neo-Nazis. Twitter is full of users who proudly boast about being neo-Nazi. It's a growing problem people don't seem to be talking about much.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/neo-nazi-found-guilty-of-planning-mass-gun-attack-after-being-caught-in-mi5-sting/ar-AA2254L3

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/neo-nazi-mum-daughter-hannah-36507172

A man was recently hit by a "raise the colours" van after taking down unauthorised flags from lampposts. They're a hate group who illegally attach flags to lampposts to intimidate.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/15/man-hit-by-van-birmingham-residents-take-down-union-flags-put-up-by-anti-migrant-group

Exactly this!

I think there’s two parts to this.

I don’t see it as ‘support for Tommy Robinson’ but TR is the one sticking his neck out and organising matches that allow many people to express their concerns with the current situation.

I don’t see it as a problem that women are utilising the platform he provides to air important topics if we consider that the alternative in many cases is to not have a platform at all.

My faith in so many British institutions and people in power has been so utterly shaken in recent years so I am now questioning EVERYTHING. I’m sure TR has said or done bad things but nobody I ask is able to produce specific facts, especially from recent years - it’s just generalised smears and claims about his ‘followers’. I have had a look on the internet and several of his ‘offences’ have involved refusing to comply with orders issued by the police and some prosecutions have been found to be unlawful.

Certainly, when you look at the energetic efforts of our own Prime Minister to smear and silence him, while extending a personal welcome to a man with extreme anti Western views (and apparently turning a blind eye to many similar men in our country preaching anti West hatred and inciting mass violence), I start to wonder what the plan is.

Sorry, that was my phone being weird, I was aiming for "them" instead of "the i".
Them being the marches.

Right.

Well as PP said, if you think there is genuine racism in your group (and you are not confusing that with concerns about certain cultural or religious practices) and you have tried to push back and got nowhere, then report the racism and either stay to see if the situation improves, or leave and look elsewhere for networking opportunities.

There seem to be increasing numbers of neo-Nazis who were radicalised online who commit murder and groom others (including children) into becoming neo-Nazis.

So you claim ‘an increasing number’ but the offences you listed (one of actual violence by a teenager, one of planning violence and one of saying awful things online) go back over a period of 3 years.

Compare that with 3 confirmed Islamic terrorist attacks in the same time period with 3 murdered and 3 seriously injured, with Islamic terrorism accounting for 75% of the terrorist threat to the UK and a significant number of terror attacks prevented. Despite followers of radical Islam being a tiny minority in our country.

The ‘far right’ and ‘neo Nazis’ claims are further muddied and inflated by even our own Prime Minister labelling huge swathes of the general public (and inadvertently his own Home Secretary) as ‘far right’.

They're a hate group who illegally attach flags to lampposts to intimidate.

Can you provide evidence for this as their intention please.

"go back over a period of 3 years."

Two of the articles I posted above are current and the other two are in the past year. And the two self-confessed Scottish neo-Nazis who "said awful things" were recruiting others into becoming Nazis and groomed a young child into Nazism too- including getting her to do Nazi salutes and posted the video online.

We can see what extremist racist grooming can do- one of the recent articles shows a radicalised teen try to behead an innocent man with an axe because he was Muslim.

The founder of "attach flags to lampposts" (which is illegal without authorisation and a safety hazard) is Ryan Bridge who last month was arrested on suspicion of racially-aggravated offences:

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/raise-colours-co-founder-ryan-33702325

Individuals and Council workers who have taken their flags down have been subject to abuse, threats and violence online and offline. Some Councils have needed police escorts to take them down.

No. If you actually read your link for the 19 year old buying guns, he committed the offence in 2023.

He had unwittingly been talking to undercover MI5 agents for months on encrypted messaging apps before he was surrounded by officers armed with Tasers in a Morrisons car park in Stratford on 29 September 2023.

We can see what extremist racist grooming can do

Agreed, yet only one of your links is to an offence where a person was injured. Your claim was:

“increasing numbers of neo-Nazis who were radicalised online who commit murder and groom others”

But you haven’t any evidence of anyone committing murder or ‘increasing numbers’.

The founder of "attach flags to lampposts" (which is illegal without authorisation and a safety hazard) is Ryan Bridge who last month was arrested on suspicion of racially-aggravated offences:

Unfortunately in this day and age, that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The police recently handcuffed a man on a false accusation of racial abuse. The man had been fatally stabbed by a Sikh attacker and died soon after.

Suspicion of is not evidence of your claim.