Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

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I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

a young girl in a public space with two men that appeared to be unrelated to her

Oh my lord, I’m so bored of this. If a child has a completely different racial appearance from the adults present, the strong likelihood is that they are not related. That’s how genetics work. There are exceptions but they are rare.

I have no idea how you make the vast leap to interpret that as ‘racism’? Nobody has suggested that anyone should be under suspicion because they are white or because they are black, it would be because they are different to the child.

Are you suggesting no one should ever enquire further if there appears to be something unusual in circumstances where a child is involved?

I do that in accordance with the school's safeguarding rules, which are not race based.

Jolly good - it would be very weird if they were ‘race based’ - I’m glad you stuck to their rules. A school having safeguarding rules and registered parents/carers is not the same as generally out and about where strangers are present.

But in this society suggesting that being a different race from the adults is in itself a ground for suspicion is pure, unadulterated racism.

Quite. Any child with any adult in any situation may not be related to the adult.

If someone is concerned about a child's welfare, for any reason whatsoever, there are safeguarding routes through which this can be reported and investigated.

Alternatively photos can be taken, a back story implied without evidence and it can be amplified all over social media 🤦‍♀️

Yes, there were far too many (white) girls who were victims of (Pakistani) grooming and rape gangs, who got let down by the authorities that should have recognised and responded to what was happening. But an over-pivot to the Tommy Robinson viral photo method of managing any potential safeguarding issues is not the answer.

It was clearly never about safeguarding a little girl, but all about pushing out a message. That's why it's an example of propaganda.

I stick to what I said about the view you have expressed. I seriously doubt you would challenge a red-headed woman with a blond child.

She has moved mountains to advance women’s rights which, if you are a woman, you would also benefit from whether you want it or not.

What evidence do you have for your rather bold claim that she’s a racist? You know she is friends with and works very closely with women like Aja the Empress?

She also gets top marks from me for being ‘untoward about paedophiles’ according to the police when they demanded she attend the station for questioning as part of their campaign against her.

And Farage, who was full of antisemitic insults at school, is now supporting Israel against Islam. Potentially a fair-weather friend despite saying all the right things now.

I stick to what I said about the view you have expressed.

You still haven’t explained how it is ‘racist’.

I seriously doubt you would challenge a red-headed woman with a blond child.

Firstly you have now switched to a different comparison in your desperation to paint me as racist. The discussion was about 2 men with a visually unrelated little girl.

Secondly, do you understand the difference in the occurrence of a red headed parent having a blonde child compared to an adult with a child that appears to be of a completely different racial origin?

Please explain how what I have said is racist or retract your accusation.

Please explain how what I have said is racist or retract your accusation.

I don't consider it appropriate to do either.

So you’ve had to go back 50 years for that. You’ll be exhausted with all that stretching.

Are you suggesting that all schoolchildren should have everything they’ve ever said held against them for eternity?

Having lived through Oswald Mosely antisemitic because there were few non-whites here, National Front, mainly anti West Indians and South Asians (noone had noticed their religion then), BNP, EDL and now Reform playing the anti Islam card I don't think there is much new under the sun.

And will a reform government encourage vigilantes/storm troopers, all of whom will be "just local people protecting white women and girls" causing mayhem and disorder? Is the Pope a catholic? Do leopards change their spots?

Well, it's the double standard, isn't it?

I wouldn't go on a march led by Tommy Robinson, even if I agreed with its cause, because he's got more baggage than I could tolerate.

KJK can make her own decisions. I have no responsibility for her.

There are plenty of lefties hanging around FWR who won't openly side with the rape-defending SWP, but who get very annoyed whenever they're mentioned. Funny that.

There are plenty of lefties hanging around FWR who won't openly side with the rape-defending SWP, but who get very annoyed whenever they're mentioned. Funny that.

Just for the record, I am not one of the above "lefties".

I find KJK fascinating. She clearly enjoys controversy and certainly reposts some very questionable stuff on X. A lot of it falls down when you read the community notes or someone asks grok. But she is absolutely steadfast in her support for women and children. That she is brave is surely beyond doubt too.

Her 'free your face' clip went viral and she received lots of heartbreaking messages from women in countries such as Saudi Arabia who were so emotional that someone had finally 'seen' them and their plight.

She can be really thoughtful and sometimes works her ideas out publicly in her posts. There was a thread recently where a lot of ethnonationalist piled onto her because she refused to accept that British (as opposed to English) was an ethnicity. There was a clip of a thoughtful black guy asking a question on TV and she posted:
There are some, on the right, who would not consider this man British…
Someone then queried whether a black person could be British and she pushed back:
Yes, this is something I’m grappling with. I think British nationality is a civic identity, but not an ethnicity. However, I think English is an ethnicity. I accept that Britain is simply the unification of nations, which have ethnicities! So British can have ethnicity! But I still cannot accept that four generations on, with no cultural ties to another nation, that a person is not called British.

She went on to say (I can't find the actual quote) something along the lines of, if her daughter married an immigrant she cannot accept that their children would not be considered British. So she will push back against anyone if she thinks they are wrong.

I have been to one of her talks where she came across as intelligent and reflective. I got the impression that what she would really like to be able to do is vote Conservative.

So you’re happy to throw out a serious accusation like that but won’t even attempt to explain it. Good to know.

Why did it stand out to you? Men accused of VAWG frequently claim women are lying, exaggerating or that it was 'an accident'. Or that the woman is falsely accusing them because of a personal vendetta.
This is something typically known and acknowledged on a feminist board.
What about the fact this was a far right male attacking a left wing woman makes you feel the violent male's account is particularly noteworthy? Its the same 'defence' we hear every time a man assaults a woman, surely?

And will a reform government encourage vigilantes/storm troopers, all of whom will be "just local people protecting white women and girls" causing mayhem and disorder?

Pure speculation. The most likely option is that if people are satisfied that the government and police are actually doing their job and our borders are under control, they will carry on with their normal lives as they were before.

There should also be less intra ethnic violence - the IRGC/extremist Muslims would hopefully be expelled and will stop attacking the Iranian refugee and other groups similarly quelled.

The anti semites are likely to carry on as unfortunately those in organisations like the Green Party/Corbynites etc are home grown.

Because of the politics and extreme activism of the group instrumental in driving the allegations. As PP suggested try googling them to understand why.

Yes, she is undoubtedly a hard worker for the rights of women. But for some PP to suggest she isn’t right-wing is laughable. She actively campaigned for Reform and Restore in the last few weeks, spoke at TR’s rally, is always retweeting and elevating Trump-aligned pundits, and her own Twitter feed is regarding 70% immigration/white England content.

Whether that tarnishes the image of feminism in general, it’s difficult to say. I personally find that side of her difficult to appreciate. (Before anyone asks, I sit dead centre politically - I’m not a leftie.)

Tommy Robinson found out about the grooming scandal from the Times who exposed it like we all did. He just profited off it and used it to spread his hate. Did you really think he was the one who exposed it?😂 he's a thug and doesn't care about women or girls

You clearly know nothing about his back story which he has told lots of times. A family member was groomed and that's what led him to campaign. Imo he doesn't say anything that different from poshos like Douglas Murray but is looked down on as scum because he is working class. Wish people would do their own research and not believe everything the telly tells them.

Further cementing her ideological stance, a few days ago KJK retweeted a post with the text “Being a leftist isn't just about being stupid. It's about showing the world how proud you are to be stupid.” (https://x.com/returnofcolin2/status/2055704683033809061?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw)

Given that, I don’t think she would claim to be anywhere near a leftist herself.

The thing is, the political left has moved so far left, its left many of us behind.

I dont think its moved left, at all, really. Labour's actual policies are barely differentiated from Tory policies. Fiddling about with details could be called centrist I suppose.

Much of politics just seems to have moved into what I would called the batshit area.

A retweet, eh? We are back in 2018. 😂

There's nothing wrong with being on the right, it's the way the lefties frame everything on the right as far right, racists, racists, racists.
With the left being so extremely left everything is to the right of it now, so are the mortal enemies of the whole wide world.

I would have agreed with you a couple of years ago but things have changed substantially. 90% of my friends would be described as left wing. Many are GC, many aren't, many dont give a fuck either way. There is lots of debate going on.