Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

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I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

Let's take our second city. Akhmed Yakoob and his posse of Islamic Peaky Blinders have become quite a serious political force in Birmingham.

I don't see anyone saying Mr Yakoob is a diamond geezer, because that's just not plausible. What we do is skip right over Mr Yakoob and have a heated debate about whether Mr Murray is a bad man for noticing Mr Yakoob's existence and even writing articles mentioning him.

Exactly.

All this handwringing because some people who are sex realists are not also left wing feminists.

That should hardly be a surprise.

In fact the majority of people who are sex realists are not left wing feminists because most people know sex is real, and very few people are left wing feminists.

So if you're going to agonise about the fact that people you don't like agree with you that sex is real, you are going to make yourself very unhappy.

Left wing women are reportedly the most unhappy group. I wonder if this is one of the reason why? They cannot psychologically tolerate the reality that the Bad People also sometimes agree with them. It seems to eat away at them.

When Corbyn was elected as Labour leader the Muslim Women's Network asked to meet him to discuss misogyny in their community eg not being allowed to stand as candidates without male permission. He never met with them.

Labour are not a feminist party, they passed the early sex discrimination legislation and then just sat back, job done. They are unable to square the circle on a clear approach on women's rights and Islam.
The left need to face up to their own problems instead of attacking KJK.
There's a line in a Leonard Cohen song;
'I fought for something final, not the right to disagree' The right to disagree is the most fundamental right. The left seem incapable of grasping that.

It's especially galling with Robinson because what he's leading is so clearly a men's movement, an offshoot of football hooliganism dressed up as politics. You can just tell that a big chunk of his supporters are probably domestic abusers.

Some of the motivations are probably genuinely feminist: the view that Islam and immigration are harmful to women, and a sense that the hard right are the only people taking this seriously.

These threads also make me laugh in the confidence with which the scolding assumes all the women on here are, or should be, or should at least regret not being anymore, left-wing feminists.

It's not the left wing feminst board.

It's feminist and women's rights.

I'm right wing and focused on women's rights. I think lots of left wing feminism has been hugely damaging to women. But I agree with them sex is real and important.

So I say: Get lost with your sixth-form politics of 'we all agree right??'

No I don't agree. And I don't have to apologise or explain and grovel to some leftist prefects that I am still a Good Person.

Nonsense. I am working class, I am not scum.

Tommy Robinson is a grifting racist thug, that's why he is scum. I wish people would do their own research instead of believing everything he says.

I find it fascinating has TR is criticised for using a name which isn’t his and yet Zack Polanski seems to dodge similar criticism.

Why are the global left in this country so obsessed with TR, the Green Party is full of so much worse and they're a political party that has made substantial gains recently but it's the 'racists thug ' influencer from up north that they're wetting themselves over. 😂

'scum' isn't a word I use for anyone. Dehumanisation is not okay.

the thing is that I don't know much about Tommy Robinson and I really can't be arsed investigating. How does it impact me what he does or says?

We need political change, we need to reach people to bring the issues to the fore. For me, that's women's rights. And those apply to everyone, and we need everyone - left, right, weird combinations of both.

Oh give over with the hyperbole and demeaning language. Women 'Wetting themselves'? Really?
Some women are expressing concern about the views and behaviour of TR and his supporters. Which ime is pretty mainstream, even amongst right leaning people.

TR doesn't impact me either. I'm a white woman. He does however impact women of colour. Stirring up racism will hurt women and make them less safe as they are the soft targets. I have female colleagues who's fear has greatly increased with the rise of this rhetoric, who have been spat at and had hijabs pulled from their heads. I don't think as a feminist who happens to be white its right to look the other way because TR and his ilk might spare me on account of my skin colour.

Is it okay to say, ‘women of colour?’ I honestly thought that was the wrong phrase in the UK and had been deemed racist.

So you have no idea what her account or accusation was and as we know that many people are ‘advised’ to plead guilty to crimes, any guilty plea is not necessarily indicative of anything.

Yet regardless of this lack of information you press on trying to make this a ‘feminist’ issue and are now making ridiculous accusations about my views and politics because I point out that things may not be all as they are initially presented by a clearly biased publication quoting an extreme activist organisation who themselves have an extremely poor record on VWAG as PP points out.

Ask yourself why, in the extremely detailed and comprehensive character assassination article, there are no details on what the woman claims had happened. THAT makes me suspicious.

I have no idea what you are trying to gain by pursuing this route but it’s not really working.

If you are here to support the far right

Such a repetitive and now meaningless accusation. What do you mean by ‘far right’?

Its the term that I use professionally in a diverse environment, as do my colleagues when self describing, and have never yet been corrected. Happy to use a different term if it causes offence to anyone on here.

I have female colleagues who's fear has greatly increased with the rise of this rhetoric, who have been spat at and had hijabs pulled from their heads.

And your sure that's down to TR and has nothing to do with the Pro-pally mob prancing through the streets chanting hate and bigotry riling people up. It's all down to the 'far right ' right.

I'm making this a feminist issue because it's the feminist board, a corner of MN where I come to discuss feminist issues. We are discussing a case involving a man convicted of an assault on a woman. If that's not a feminist issue, what is?
So, if we might centre the woman, tell me, what did she say about the assault? And what about her evidence leads you to conclude that the man's conviction was unsound?

Whether you like it or not, KJK is associated with feminism and feminists, so whatever she does or says can reflect on them. It’s up to the individual, obviously, to make a judgement on how they feel about it. As for feminism being exclusively a left-wing project? That’s an interesting statement. Women of all creeds and ideologies need feminist thought - so no.

You think that ordinary decent men suddenly lose the run of themselves and start spitting at and assaulting Muslim women, because they don't like pro Palestine marches? And that's more likely to be the case than that they were already predisposed to racism and misogyny and have been encouraged to enact it? That's your stance, is it?

And what is it you are expecting or asking for? Is it a general tutting, or a broader will-you-condemnathon you're after? Or is it just a quick 'aint it awful'?

I've actually lost track of who we're supposed to be burning at the stake today and why. I don't suppose it matters, really. Just a bit of general fomenting.

Well what the fuck is yours? That decent men are losing the run of themselves because tommy whatsit is holding a march? And that women here are somehow to blame for that?

Up North? TR is from Luton. If that's who you mean.

Although I totally agree the Green Party are fucking nutcases.

How could you possibly jump to that from anything I've posted? I haven't blamed a woman on here or anywhere else for that matter for a single thing.
The post you've quoted us my response to a pp who suggested my colleague had been subjected to a racist assault because of 'prancing pro pally protesters'. I (reasonably, I think) made the point that that explanation is far less likely than the assault being committed by racist mysogynist men stirred into action by the likes of TR.
If you can show me where I've blamed a wonan there, I'd appreciate it.

I know you have read my previous responses. I’m unsure why you seem unable to retain that information.

I asked YOU to provide the details of her claim as my initial commented highlighted his quote as being the only information on the charge provided in the article, which you have jumped on and repeatedly tried to twist into some sort of political far right anti feminist position.

If you can’t provide that detail there is no point in continuing this conversation.

https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/2056672687489982493

A middle-aged "flag man" films women without their consent and uploads them online. At Stephen Yaxley Lennon's hate event he sexually harassed a 15 year old asking for her number and calling her his gf. In his video his subtitles say 16 but the Mother clearly says 15.