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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

385 replies

Tooting33 · 17/05/2026 08:59

I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

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BonfireLady · 18/05/2026 17:01

Shedmistress · 18/05/2026 16:53

So two implications? How do you know those aren't just your assumptions? Or someone else's?

For example people say that people who say they love their country are racist, however it seems to be the people that assume that other races are not included in that, that made that leap.

Seriously if the worst his propaganda is is this, then he is doing a pretty shit job at the far right stuff.

They could well be just my assumptions. That's fair.

But I am happy to make my own assumptions based on what I see and form my own opinions. I will look to challenge my assumptions, hence watching his film.

But ultimately, it's my own assumptions and opinions (after seeking out information to challenge them) that stop me from falling into group think.

SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2026 17:12

There's a lot of slippery slope thinking here. The pattern is quite familiar

  • I'm worried you're being radicalised into the far right
  • I'm not remotely far right. You know that
  • But you wouldn't want people to think you are
  • Why would anyone sane think that?
  • I notice you liked a Reform tweet about cracking down on Motability scams #makeuthink

Trouble is, it only works for people who have been socialised into making "being left wing" a huge part of their personal identity, and who are deathly scared that their friends will denounce them for wrongthink.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/05/2026 17:28

BonfireLady · 18/05/2026 16:59

All very true.

Going back to the Nazi Germany example, I doubt many people's values started as "it's fair game to kill Jews", but group think presumably manipulated and shifted enough people's values along the way... until this sat within the Overton window.

Getting caught up in any cult like group think is not a good idea IMO.

Being cognisant of this manipulation is presumably key. IMO Tommy Robinson (and Nigel Farage, Zack Polanski, Donald Trump and others) are leaders who seem to bank on enough followers not being. Zack is obviously the only left-winger in that bunch, but as he isn't in charge, he can't adopt a traditional authoritarian approach with the outside world. I wonder if it does work inside the party though, to reconcile the blindingly obvious disconnect between his advocacy of "LGBTQ+++" rights and it being highly unlikely that all of his Muslim colleagues agree with him.

The 3 right wingers on your list have had longterm backing from Russia, I don't know about ZP.

Kabuki theatre indeed.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 17:56

TheFastLeader · 18/05/2026 16:57

"I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event."

So KJK (Posie Parker) - an established right-wing troll with sympathies to fascist ideologies - spoke at an event organised and attended by right-wing trolls with sympathies to fascist ideologies and you're... surprised at this?

Discovering the religious alleigance of the Pope must have absolutely floored you...

In what way is KJK 'rightwing'? She was a Labour member back in the day, AFAIK.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 17:57

SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2026 17:12

There's a lot of slippery slope thinking here. The pattern is quite familiar

  • I'm worried you're being radicalised into the far right
  • I'm not remotely far right. You know that
  • But you wouldn't want people to think you are
  • Why would anyone sane think that?
  • I notice you liked a Reform tweet about cracking down on Motability scams #makeuthink

Trouble is, it only works for people who have been socialised into making "being left wing" a huge part of their personal identity, and who are deathly scared that their friends will denounce them for wrongthink.

Yes. These tactics stopped working around 4 or 5 years ago, I'd say. Keep up, Righteous Good People!

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 17:56

In what way is KJK 'rightwing'? She was a Labour member back in the day, AFAIK.

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2026 17:59

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 17:57

Yes. These tactics stopped working around 4 or 5 years ago, I'd say. Keep up, Righteous Good People!

Yes. Come on, people! It's not 2018 any more!

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 18:07

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

No idea. You'd need to ask her directly, although it sounds like calling for secular education to me. 'Islam' is the religion, not the people who follow it.

I have reservations about faith schools, and I think state education should be secular. Doesn't make me right-wing.

Imnobody4 · 18/05/2026 18:33

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

Sounds like the Secular Society to me. There used to be a group called Muslims for a Secular Society involved in consultations back in the day. They don't exist any more instead we've got sectarianism.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/05/2026 19:23

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

Only if you're nieces name is Islam.
I support removing religion from school as well, we're a secular country, we shouldn't be teaching any religion in school's except in RE class, personally I do away with that in favour of a Current Affairs type class.

MintBird · 18/05/2026 19:25

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/05/18/flag-man-behind-nazi-linked-anti-migrant-protests-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-woman/

Craig Kitts, member of "raise the colours"- the hate group I mentioned who illegally attach flags to Council lampposts and recently have allegedly hit someone with their cherry picker van in a hit and run, has pled guilty to assaulting a woman. He also unsurprisingly posts racist AI images on social media (the far-right seem to like their AI slop).

So much for "protect are women".

'Flag Man' Behind Nazi-Linked Anti-Migrant Protests Pleads Guilty to Assaulting Woman

Craig Kitts, who says he is fighting to 'protect our women and children' from migrants, admitted to assault by beating

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/05/18/flag-man-behind-nazi-linked-anti-migrant-protests-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-woman/

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/05/2026 19:37

It's not 2018 any more!

Thank goodness.Grin

Shedmistress · 18/05/2026 19:40

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

It might help if you worked out the difference between a religion and a person.

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/05/2026 19:40

SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2026 17:12

There's a lot of slippery slope thinking here. The pattern is quite familiar

  • I'm worried you're being radicalised into the far right
  • I'm not remotely far right. You know that
  • But you wouldn't want people to think you are
  • Why would anyone sane think that?
  • I notice you liked a Reform tweet about cracking down on Motability scams #makeuthink

Trouble is, it only works for people who have been socialised into making "being left wing" a huge part of their personal identity, and who are deathly scared that their friends will denounce them for wrongthink.

If people haven't yet watched it, I recommend they do.....'Storyville' (BBC I player). A two part documentary about the capture of american academia and university campuses by Critical Race Theory, Social Justice Activism and Gender Ideology.

It takes us through the time -line and development of these theories and how they took hold of the student body. Very emotionally fraught at times. Kathleen Stock features in the second part ( 'The Pendulum Swings'). Interviews with people who were cancelled and reviled, as well as with some of the cheerleaders of this mob rule.

What struck me about the woman who made the documentary was that she clearly remained fearful of being labelled as a 'right wing bigot' throughout all of it - and this did slightly undermine the general narrative arc, I felt. It certainly illustrated it. Being cast out and labelled as a bad person can and does destroy people's lives.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 19:48

https://www.secularism.org.uk/faith-schools/

58% of Brits want secular schools, fwiw.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 19:58

BonfireLady · 18/05/2026 16:25

I have searched for two things that I specifically remember seeing but I have been unable to find links to them. However, I can demonstrate the context for each.

  1. he made a short video showing girls in a classroom. In it, there was a solitary white girl looking sad, sitting/standing (I forget which) amongst others who had typical Pakistani/Bangladeshi skin colour and were wearing hijabs. The implied message appeared to be that Muslims are taking over and that the white population needs to be worried. That would fall in line with messages like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/AlLdl0szTgA?si=CchKBNTwQL9F2GC1

  2. he amplified a story on X about a white girl being seen in a playground with two black men. He asked where TF the parents were, which (to many people) carried a strong implication that they were predators and the girl was a victim. The link I was searching for was his updated tweet afterwards, but I haven't been able to find it. IIRC, he tried to suggest that he had never claimed that they were a risk to the girl. TBF to him it's ambiguous what he meant with his first tweet, asking where the parents are. But rhetorically, if he didn't want his followers to think the men were a danger to her, why bother posting it in the first place? This is a link to the story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

That’s not really ‘propaganda’ - Keir Starmer regularly posts pictures of himself in schools and other spaces with few or no white kids and there are a number of areas where indigenous British children are a very small minority of students.

My nephew was in such a school and the parents of the other nationality students were very exclusionary of the local kids so he had few friends that he could meet after school.

Sadiq Khan has expressed his delight that white British are now a minority in London - not to mention other areas of the country.

about a white girl being seen in a playground with two black men

Shouldn’t we always ask questions about a young girl in a public space with two men that appeared to be unrelated to her? Given our current issues, I’d think that was an important message to share, not to be accused of ‘propaganda’.

I must say that across several threads now I have asked for specific examples of what he has done, ideally in recent years, and they are pretty thin in the ground.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/05/2026 20:02

A lot of hard work going into trying to shame people for having the 'wrong opinion'.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 20:24

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 17:59

Based on the speech she gave at the march where she called for Islam to be removed from schools/institutions etc (not radical Islam, not extreme Islam) I would say she is right wing. My niece is a Muslim secondary school teacher - does she want to "remove" her from her job?

Hie does that make her ‘right wing’?

Why shouldn’t she say that Islam should not be in schools?

At least one little girl is not alive today because no one questioned why she started wearing a hijab at primary school.

We are a Christianity based country, not a Muslim country. Surely your niece can do her job without bringing her religion into it?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 20:37

MintBird · 18/05/2026 19:25

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/05/18/flag-man-behind-nazi-linked-anti-migrant-protests-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-woman/

Craig Kitts, member of "raise the colours"- the hate group I mentioned who illegally attach flags to Council lampposts and recently have allegedly hit someone with their cherry picker van in a hit and run, has pled guilty to assaulting a woman. He also unsurprisingly posts racist AI images on social media (the far-right seem to like their AI slop).

So much for "protect are women".

An interesting article - heavy on irrelevant description and some allegations by that famously ‘honest’ activist group ‘Stand up to Racism’. Very little detail about the actual case, weirdly.

This bit, right at the bottom stood out to me:

In response to Byline Times’ request for comment, Kitts wrote via email: “I was accused of ‘assault by beating’ the ‘victim’ claimed to have felt pain in her left leg which apparently effected her walking, although cctv shows I trod on her right foot during an argument, complete mistake and no done purposely but due to her have strong left wing beliefs and me putting up England flags she decided to dispute this.”

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 20:40

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 20:24

Hie does that make her ‘right wing’?

Why shouldn’t she say that Islam should not be in schools?

At least one little girl is not alive today because no one questioned why she started wearing a hijab at primary school.

We are a Christianity based country, not a Muslim country. Surely your niece can do her job without bringing her religion into it?

My niece doesn't bring her religion to work. She's a bloody professional.

SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2026 20:45

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 20:37

An interesting article - heavy on irrelevant description and some allegations by that famously ‘honest’ activist group ‘Stand up to Racism’. Very little detail about the actual case, weirdly.

This bit, right at the bottom stood out to me:

In response to Byline Times’ request for comment, Kitts wrote via email: “I was accused of ‘assault by beating’ the ‘victim’ claimed to have felt pain in her left leg which apparently effected her walking, although cctv shows I trod on her right foot during an argument, complete mistake and no done purposely but due to her have strong left wing beliefs and me putting up England flags she decided to dispute this.”

I know I often annoy people by saying this, but if anyone would like to know about the people who run 'Stand up to Racism', I would be more than happy to go into detail about them.

Or you could google 'Comrade Delta'.

If you're in a union, your subs are funding these people.

HauntedHouseWife · 18/05/2026 20:58

KJK is a racist just like the rest of Tommy ten Names. She is no women's rights campaigner. She is a grifter in a cheap jumpsuit

TriesNotToBeCynical · 18/05/2026 21:01

Shouldn’t we always ask questions about a young girl in a public space with two men that appeared to be unrelated to her? Given our current issues, I’d think that was an important message to share, not to be accused of ‘propaganda’.
@CornishDaughteroftheDawn

I have been known to pick up my grandchild, who is visibly a different race from me, from primary school. I do that in accordance with the school's safeguarding rules, which are not race based.

A child in a public space with adults may be suspicious for a number of reasons. And, unfortunately, it may occasionally be a safety issue despite their being no visible clue to this. But in this society suggesting that being a different race from the adults is in itself a ground for suspicion is pure, unadulterated racism.

Edited for spelling

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 18/05/2026 21:25

BuffysBigSister · 18/05/2026 20:40

My niece doesn't bring her religion to work. She's a bloody professional.

So removing Islam from schools won’t affect her then 🤷‍♀️.

I’m not sure what your point is?

NotTheOrdinary · 18/05/2026 21:41

HauntedHouseWife · 18/05/2026 20:58

KJK is a racist just like the rest of Tommy ten Names. She is no women's rights campaigner. She is a grifter in a cheap jumpsuit

Absolutely. If you speak at Tommehs racist rally, that makes you a racist.