Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

Seriously? Only one of my parents is Jewish so no.

How would you know? Is that what your narrative demands?

Is that standard practice? To have people from another country (when there is a functioning govt, even if some people don't like it) go and interview rape victims and analyse the bodies of the dead?

I've never heard of this happening, nor can I imagine how it would be appropriate to have a rape victim or child that has been abused forced to give testimony to someone who is only there for a political reason.

I understand the questioning, to an extent, but you have to think through what you are actually suggesting should have happened.

I never doubted it as stated repeatedly. Are your hyper preconceived biases so strong that they have diminished your ability at comprehension? Seems so.

Or maybe not. Maybe your attempts at shutting down legitimate critique by weaponising anti semitism is a conscious choice?

It's a common tactic unfortunately on this forum to accuse those stating uncomfortable ideas with some form of 'ism' to censor them.

Well said.

Yes, the UN frequently establishes, mandates, and sends investigative bodies to countries to examine allegations of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and serious violations of human rights. So this isn't anything new.

And how exactly is any of that "jew hatred". Shouting "jew hatred" doesn't magically make uncomfortable truths "jew hatred".

You will need to do more for credibility’s sake. It never ceases to amaze how many people encourage the fulfilment of their own dire prophecies with such irrational sentiments.

Keep going.

So no, you won't explain yourself? How convenient.

The UN has investigated and concluded there were:
“reasonable grounds to believe” that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the October 7 attacks at multiple locations, including rape and gang rape; and
“clear and convincing information” that some hostages taken into Gaza were subjected to sexual violence, torture, and degrading treatment.

In terms of more detailed investigations by the UN, these typically take many years and have occured in Darfur, Rwanda, and Syria which are hardly comparable.

Ukraine has had support from the UN in investigating Russia's war crimes but this has involved the UN providing administrative support to Ukraine, rather than conducting an independent investigation.

Could you provide some examples of situations like Israel's where the UN has independently investigated, please?

Could you provide some examples of situations like Israel's where the UN has independently investigated, please?

Don't be silly, dear. We all know it's only the sneaky Jews that can't be trusted to tell the truth about their own fucking rapes. Even when the rapists recorded it on video.

Systematic rape has long been a military tactic, going back to Genghis Khan and no doubt millennia before him - when history was written by men, who sometimes alluded to it as a side issue or 'spoils of war'.

Google's quick summary of examples from more recent history:

Bosnian War (1992–1995): The use of "rape camps" by Bosnian Serb forces for systematic pregnancy and terror.
Rwandan Genocide (1994): An estimated 500,000 women were raped; HIV-infected men were sometimes used as a tool of biological warfare.
Democratic Republic of the Congo: Decades of conflict marked by massive-scale sexual violence used to control mining resources and displace civilians.
Myanmar: Reports from the United Nations highlight "routine, systematic" rape by the military against the Rohingya.
Ukraine (2022–Present): Ongoing investigations into the use of sexual violence by Russian forces as a deliberate strategy to terrorize civilians.

I'm only adding them here to counter the rather strange assertions that saying this somehow minimises what Hamas did.

It's all disgusting. The common factor isn't nationality, religion or politics. It['s the sex of the aggressors.

What about goodwill to the women who were abused, rated and murdered, has that dried up too? Have they ceased to be individuals worthy of concern? Are they merely tools of an ideology? Is this not how patriarchy works?

"The United Nations (UN) has independently investigated, or established mechanisms to investigate, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and serious human rights violations in numerous conflict zones worldwide. These investigations are typically mandated by the UN Human Rights Council or the Security Council. 1, 2]
Key areas where the UN has established independent investigative mechanisms include:
Sudan: In 2023-2025, the Independent International Fact-Finding Mission for the Sudan was established to investigate violations by both the army and the Rapid Support Forces.
Ukraine: The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, created in 2022, investigates violations in the context of Russia's aggression.
Occupied Palestinian Territory & Israel: A standing Commission of Inquiry (COI) was established in 2021 to investigate alleged crimes in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in Israel.
Myanmar: The Independent Investigative Mechanism for Myanmar (IIMM) was created in 2018 to collect evidence of serious international crimes (genocide, war crimes).
Syria: The International, Impartial and Independent Mechanism (IIIM) was established to assist in investigating crimes committed during the conflict since 2011.
Mali: UN experts have called for independent investigations into crimes committed by Malian forces and foreign military contractors.
Central African Republic: A hybrid court, supported by the UN, was established to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC): UN investigations have looked into atrocities committed by armed groups and national soldiers.
Venezuela: An Independent Fact-Finding Mission was established in 2019 to investigate human rights violations.
Belarus: An independent examination of the human rights situation was established in 2021.
Libya: An independent Fact-Finding Mission was active from 2020 to 2023.
Eritrea: The UN established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate abuses.
Burundi: An independent commission was established to investigate violations.
Rwanda/Yugoslavia: The UN established specialized tribunals (ICTR and ICTY) in the 1990s for serious war crimes, which paved the way for modern, independent investigations. 1, , 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]

The good will I was referring to was that of the Israeli government given their numerous discredited statements like '40 beheaded babies'. Most people don't doubt atrocities occurred that were reprehensible & felt terribly for the victims.

It’s really not. You may not be aware of the racism Jews and Israelis have been facing, and the forms it’s taking, since Oct 7th, but I am. And @IwantToRetire’s post is a classic of the genre. To boil it down for you, everything is the Jews/ Israeli’s/ Zionist’s fault.

Despite widespread denial that rapes took place @IwantToRetire insists most people know this. They don’t. Denial of the sexual assault of women is core to many anti Zionist’s belief system. One of the women’s group’s I am in posted a message remembering the women and girl victims of October 7th on the second anniversary. Cue a mass of furious posts from ‘feminists’ in the group saying no rapes took place and leaving the group.

The core story here is of left wing anti-racist feminists, and many other anti Zionists, denying rape because it happened to Jews/Israelis/zionists. That’s the issue that needs acknowledging and addressing by feminists. But the majority of feminists have either denied the rapes or stayed silent. As feminists we should understand the pain that denial or silence causes to Israeli women.

And here, when the report is published. Three posts in a ‘feminist’ wants to make the story, wait for it, to blame a Jew/Israeli/zionist, deflecting from the real issue of rape denial and the real culprits of western feminists and wider anti Zionists.

I’ve watched feminists call out DARVO on here for years. Yet when it comes down to Israelis, it’s defended. I’ve watched for years feminists on here justifying anger. But not when it’s expressed by someone angry at racism against Jews.

The double standards are extraordinary.

But it isn’t. Huge swathes of feminist women have denied the rapes and still do. Huge swathes of feminist women have put aside what they know about male violence to deny the rapes.

Have you really missed this massive issue in feminism? Because it’s biggest scandal in the feminist world since the TWAW divide in feminism.

Oohhh like when women who say no to men are called “transphobic” and “bigots”?