Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

Great statement. Wonderful to see such moral clarity.

This 100%

I had nothing to do with your post's deletion.

That incident is specifically referenced. If you read the report.

And every single one of those Gazan women and children would still be alive had the atrocities in the report not been commited by Hamas on 7 October.

The blame for all of this lies with Hamas. The ones who did this. All this.

Absolutely disgusting thread. Again.

Read the report.

Please, read the report.

So what crimes had the innocent children, woman and families committed against Palestine that warranted being raped, murdered tortured and kidnapped? @ApplebyArrows or is it ok to murder innocents if you’re on “the right side”?

There are politicians in the UK, right now, who celebrated and justified October the 7th.

Fuck hamas. Just fuck them. War and rape are as expected a duo as lime and coriander. Not a single woman is exempt from this, no matter how privileged we are where we live, if our circumstances change ever and we, any woman, find ourselves in a situation where we are surrounded by war, rape will occur. No woman is free from this as long as men create wars. And yet we hear so much about help for heroes, men with PTSD or shellshock needing help. But what about women? The women like myself who have been in relationships with violent ex soldiers as well as being born from one.
Hamas are evil. Hating on Jewish people is fucking evil. Hating on any single person for their race or religion is fucking evil. It’s not a divisive comment, racism in any form is wrong. We are mature enough here to know that your race or religion doesn’t make you a rapist, on the whole, your penis does.
But rape just seems to be the unpunished crime of war. It’s been treated for so long as a necessary evil. Women get raped because men need to sow their seed.
There was a very painful watch a few years ago on my YouTube page, it was a young woman who had been sold to a group of men who repeatedly raped her and they didn’t have women in this village to rape, so they bought women and girls and raped them until death.
I just don’t think sexual violence towards women and children is ever going to end. Unless women revolt in some handmaid tale way, I can’t see this ever ending.
Im all for women standing together. We are sisters, all of us are just as at risk as any other woman. We may be at risk from walking home from school, the shop, the friendly plumber we’ve let in our home, the Amazon driver or terrorists. But not a woman on this planet is free from the fear of rape. From the cradle, to our last hours, even in death our cold dead bodies aren’t safe.

So I’d love to suggest we start an underground network and grassroots movement to basically cull rapists but I appreciate we’re all busy. Jobs/housework etc, but if anyone fancies some kind of anti sexual violence club where we are stuck to abiding by the law and whatnot, but all agree it’s terrible, count me in. I’ll bring the cake.

Have you read the report @EmilyinEverton?

That combatants were ordered & planned to commit rapes in a systematic fashion by their superiors is controversial. Please point to the confirmation of this evidence (that wasn't elicited under torture). Its exactly because of these 'methods' that independent investigations are necessary.

I agree it’s controversial. The report presents evidence of widespread and systematic sexual violence, with common features which I won’t repeat here. Those features were common across multiple sites. The report suggests the men were prepared with specific Hebrew phrases. They wore Go Pros and used other devices to film and transmit the footage of their actions.

So while yes, there is no direct evidence that they were ordered to do this by their superiors, there is definitely evidence that they were not afraid of their superiors reaction should they find out. Their actions were obviously planned and systematic, and they did not feel the need to be clandestine.

What evidence is there that these were the actions of a rogue arm of Hamas (plus other savages)? Where is the condemnation of these actions by Hamas command? I’m asking genuinely because I haven’t seen it. Maybe you have.

Yes.

Thankyou for posting this. I can't bear to read the report. This statement is how I think we should all feel about that day. I wish this thread was just person after person repeating these sentiments.

I would not encourage you to force yourself if you cannot cope with it, but I do think it’s important to have as much information to fend off the disgusting slop posted by some here.

https://www.thejc.com/news/newly-elected-green-councillor-apologises-for-october-7-anti-israel-tweets-a5qx65mk

'Mothin Ali insisted ‘white supremacist European settler colonialism must end’ on October 7'
...
People should “support the right of indigenous people to fight back,” he claimed, before adding: “They are not victims, they are occupiers, they are colonialists, they are European colonialists…
"It’s one of the last European colonies in the world, and that’s why the European people don’t want to let it go. They use the weapon of antisemitism so effectively that anyone who criticises Israel is labelled as antisemitic.”
Ali also claimed: “Every single person, every single people have a right to fight back, every single people have a right to live free of occupiers.'

You don't have to look very far to find similar sentiments expressed on here.

Yes I've seen that person's posts elsewhere. She is blatant.

@EmilyinEverton Can you name any other of the 'numerous discredited statements' apart from the '40 beheaded babies' which gets wheeled out every time someone tries to undermine the credibility of the Israelis?

Having had the unpleasant experience of reading a lot of that poster's contributions (although experience has taught me to mostly just skim over them now..) on this and other threads, I can safely say I have seen no subject which they cannot narcissistically debase.

On MN? I assume on other boards.

I'd been really hoping the feminist board we could be safe from smearing and sneering at the victims whose experiences are described in this report.

This is another example of you not being able to read. There is no brutalisation of citizens in this report. Its instead an example of protest being able to go ahead in a democratic country which permits peaceful protest. In fact, its an example of the very thing you are trying to argue does not happen without government brutality, happening without government brutality.

I also don't think you have read this report as it is not about conscientious objectors, except for a very small minority of Jews who believe Israel can only be established by the Messiah. Military service is compulsory in Israel due to Israel's very existence constantly being under threat from the conglomeration of genuinely genocidal forces who would destroy it and all its citizens.. This article is about removing the exemption from that from some ultra conservative Jews who argue their time is better spent studying the Torah. Many in Israel believe it to be unfair that they and their children's lives are on the line to protect all their futures, whilst these individuals are not. Its basically about equalising one's responsibility to the protection of one's nation. I think most people can see the morality and justice in that equalisation.

Why do hamas exist in the first place?