Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

Just read this

https://archive.ph/3yJo8

https://spectator.com/article/the-nova-exhibition-is-a-glimpse-into-the-abyss-of-humanity/?edition=us

Here a link to the exhibition website

https://novaexhibition.com/

Apologies if any of this has been posted upthread.

Thank you.

Last time I checked, the IDF wasn't sponsoring terrorists to firebomb mosques and murder random Muslims all over the globe. Neither have they ever called for the destruction of Islam and all those who practice it.

Hamas has done all of these things to Jewish people, and promises more. In their rhetoric, it's also commonplace to hear bitter hatred towards the West. In this, of course, they act not just to intimidate their main target, but also to poison relationships between Muslims and the wider community.

So no: I'm not equally as outraged - far from it. I don't think that the atrocities committed by the IDF are part of an international campaign of terror. Meanwhile, there is no reason to suppose that the events of October 7th won't play themselves out in the UK one day.

If I were going to Glasto this summer, I'd be keeping half an eye out for hang-gliders.

Have you got a source for that claim that Hamas is sponsoring terror

What exactly do you think Hamas is?

Anyone speaking in defence of Hamas and then almost in the same breath accusing a person of being on the wrong side of history has a very interesting way of looking at these things.

Did Israel invade Gaza specifically to kill hundreds of civilians?
Or were the civilians killed as Israel was fighting Hamas who embed themselves among civilians?

Sorry, where did I defend Hamas? I asked for a source for the claim that Hamas is encouraging the firebombing of synagogues.

But go on, carry on defending Israel. Even though by every single metric they’re committing genocide.

Why would you question that Hamas is encouraging the firebombing of synagogues? They have done it before when they feel under attack.

Article from April 2022:

In a speech Saturday night filled with murderous threats and denunciations of Israel, Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar said the terror group “will not hesitate to take any steps” if Israel “violates” the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

“Our people must prepare for a great battle if the occupation does not cease its aggression against the Al-Aqsa Mosque,” Sinwar said.

“Violating Al-Aqsa and Jerusalem means a regional, religious war,” he said.

Gesturing at a photo behind him of Israeli police inside the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Sinwar threatened violence against synagogues around the world if the action were repeated.

“Whoever makes the decision to allow this photo to be repeated, the violation of Al-Aqsa — he has decided to allow the violation of thousands of synagogues all across the world,” Sinwar said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/sinwar-warns-israel-hamas-wont-hesitate-to-take-any-steps-if-al-aqsa-is-violated/

Genocide isnt defined by metric. It's defined by intent.

I'm waiting to see the ICJ verdict. They'll have access to a lot more information than we will.

It remains absolutely in terrible taste to come onto a thread about the sexual crimes of Hamas against Jewish women to defend them, and then start throwing unproven accusations of genocide against Israel. This thread isnt about that.

And as for asking for a source that a terrorist group proscribed in the UK has sponsored terrorism? Eye roll.

And Sudan, going on now. Not making any point here just don't think it should be left out.

I've no idea why I was deleted. The main part of my post was sarcastic.

Maybe it was the part about useful idiots that got under someone's skin. Is that a banned term now? Because I've used it before.

I'm assuming that someone misunderstood the expression?

Any response to that @Francine84 ?

Maybe...

I didn't report your post. But when I read it I did think some people may not understand that some of your post was sarcastic.

The term useful idiots is still allowed I believe as long as it's not aimed towards a particular poster.

You can appeal (if you can be bothered).

I did wonder if it might be misunderstood - but I thought the italics and eyeroll would clarify.

I have had posts deleted before where I thought the sarcasm was obvious - as it would be to most people - so now I spell it out sarcasm before anyone reports me (actually offended or faux offended, who knows).

I have yet to see proven that the IDF went to a Gazan music festival and to Gazan homes and filmed themselves raping and murdering people. But Hamas celebrated doing just this.

Sorry, one article from 4 years ago? Israel is been committing genocide since then and has firebombed hospitals, schools, international journalists, ambulances etc. And killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.

where is your outrage about that? Or do you only care when Israelis are affected? There’s a word for that… Oh yeah, apartheid

Do you think Hamas needed to call for global attacks on Jews more than once? The killing of ordinary Jewish people - not involved with Israel, living their lives in cities around the world - continues to escalate.

And unlike Hamas, who - if they chose to - could negotiate for a two-state solution, these Jewish people are absolutely powerless to shape the peace process. As, for that matter, are ordinary Palestinians. You know: those men, women and children who aren't allowed in the bomb-proof tunnels.

There's a word for being frightened for your own life, and that word is not "apartheid". It is terror. The desired end-result of terrorism.

And there is a word for knowing what's best for people in distant countries. People who live under conditions you have never experienced, with histories that are not your own. That word is "colonialism". Have you checked your reflection lately?

And killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
All civilian deaths in war are hideous, but I'd like receipts for your numbers.

When civilians are killed during urban warfare, that is not genocide. It's tragic, but it's not genocide. Hamas has chosen to embed itself in the midst of its civilians - putting its armouries and command centres into in schools and hospitals, for example - and not provide any sort of bomb shelters for them. People who call it genocide when civilians then die are not only doing their best to demonise the world's only Jewish state, they're also diminishing the word itself.

Oh, and are helping to build up the atmosphere where synagogues are firebombed and shot at, and Jews are stabbed in the streets.

If you can't see that, I can't help you.

I mean Hamas call and have called for the death of Jews many times.

2023

https://www.memri.org/tv/rafah-gaza-friday-sermon-hamas-official-regeb-allah-necks-jews-annihilate-them

https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-7-attack-time-and-again-until-israel

2024

From the founding charter of Hamas, link below.

'The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Article 7). '

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

It's not really in question, tbh.

Meanwhile, every civilian death is a complete tragedy, I don't think anyone on here is saying any otherwise. It's heartbreaking and devastating, as are all civilian war deaths in the many conflicts around the world.