What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

Yes. Tbh I find the insults weirdly reassuring. It's all they've got.

What they miss is that division has no effect on the arguments. Its the direct opposite of "you can't reason someone out of an argument they didn't reason themselves into'.

Im even reading the thread backwards and it still works 😂

Not a joke
This is DARVO and projection 101.

More D.A.R.V.O.
What else you got?

Self-examining to see if I've become insufferable and hypocritical in the last 30 years ... 🤔

To be fair, some people would say I've always been insufferable. Nobody's ever called me a hypocrite, in so many words or by implication, though I've occasionally called myself one. Does that count?

I don't recall feminism making a stand against insufferability or hypocrisy. We're all about fighting sexism. Have you perhaps mixed us up with a political columnist?

ADF International (currently funding Sharron Davies in her apparent attempt to scare gnc women out of running in parks), Christian nationalists, the Heritage Foundation, Tufton Street, Peter Thiel....

Transphobia is a means to an end .Split the left, yes, but encourage the idea that people can't do what they want with their own bodies. The people funding transphobia are againsg equal marriage, anti-abortion and anti-contraception.

Rachel Maddow showed last year that when governments act against trans people, they use it as a precedent to go after cis women. When certain states began to collect hospital data on trans people, they soon after began to collect info on which women had had abortions, even across state lines.

You're completely right about Linehan. He's reposted stuff making fun of the murder of Reneé Good, among many other examples of misogyny. He posts graphic nudes of people he says are trans children without their consent for pity's sake. That is not normal behaviour.

I know not every gender critical woman supports Linehan, but his obsession with posting about children - talking about their intimate body parts, in detail, most days - ought to be ringing more alarm bells.

IDEOLOGICAL???!!!! The horror! How dare these women be committed to a political & philosophical belief (that women deserve as much freedom, respect and opportunity as men)?

If you met them while performing an intimidating 'protest' against their audacity to meet up and talk about their shared belief, it wouldn't be surprising they seemed suspicious and anxious.

'Why are you nasty awful people always wary around me?'

I mean it really doesn't matter how much people call us ugly, nasty, mad, lonely viper bitches. Or buttergasp at other people who agree with us and suggest a bunch of feminists from completely disparate backgrounds and political leanings and history have somehow accidentally become Xtian far right.

It is not and will not ever be possible to change sex.

Yes, yes, not letting men into female spaces and sports will result in the destruction of all women blah blah blah. Women are to blame for what a man does yadda yadda yadda..

you use the word cis. Do you know who coined the meaning as used by TRA? I mean, if we’re going to talk about people being guilty by association…..

'He's reposted stuff making fun of the murder of Reneé Good,'

Wait til you hear about the actual murderer who sexually assaulted a woman in prison. Why? Because his deeply important "gender identity' means the Scottish government put him in with the women.

Humour is a tricky game. Even great comedians can really bomb. It's why even the big ones tend to refine new work through stand up in small venues, or work in a writer's room with other writers. GL doesn't really have access to that any more, posts like this are just a direct pipeline from his brain to the public, so no shock it can easily fall flat.

As for his politics - I think he's always been a little inclined to extremes and going all out when he could stand to reflect.

But what people call the GC to "far right" pipeline is generally just that gender ideology is the issue where people suddenly start to look at a lot of the left wing narrative with the same critical eye they may have previously reserved for the right. It's difficult to see gender ideology in action without becoming aware that the left has some massive blind spots which are correctly criticised, or that some ideas that they have taken for granted as benign may have a dark side.

I live in Canada, and people here are often very negative about the US and it's culture, this is not a new thing since Trump. And some of it is justified. But I've wondered myself about the fact that Canada has become crazily authoritarian on this issue, to the point that many people will never hear an argument from the other perspective, while the US has not.

I don't think he's drunk

I think he's demonstrating the difficulty of talking with a false tooth

I may be oversensitive because I've actually got a denture at the moment and I feel as if it's giving me a lisp

Anyway, it's a crap video, but I don't see what it's got to do with the cause

What causes are we talking about?

By the way, does anyone know what his background picture on his X bio is? That struck me more than the video.

I didn't say anyone was guilty by association. I know perfectly well that a lot of GC women don't like Linehan. Probably for the same reasons I don't.

I think a discussion of the way he writes about children - and posts those images of real people - is very overdue.Imagine that happening to you.

And cis is a word I use, yes. It's very handy, since it means 'not trans'. Adjectives are not violence, and don't make anyone 'guilty by association'. How very strange.

I know. It's hilarious.

You're all over anxious and suspicious. Stand still why I batter you, punch you in the face, tell everyone else to punch you in the face, and set up an organisation that advocates for punching you in the face.

And then, er, pour piss on myself.

You know, just in case you hadn't quite grasped that I'm kerrazeeee.

What does one thing have to do with the other?

As oif I support anyone who sexually assaults women. And this may come as a surprise, but I don't actually run the prisons service.

Linehan's reposted deeply misogynistic, Islamophobic and outright racist accounts.

As I've said, I know lots of GC women are appalled by Linehan. But everyone else needs to take a closer look at how he posts about children.

Parents of trans children get targeted by his followers - all male - who defend him posting those images, even though it can only be described as revenge porn. They tell us about their own collections of photographs of naked children, and of their 'concern' about those children being able to orgasm.

It's more repulsive than I'm saying here, to be honest. Some of them claim being trans is worse than actual child abuse. In fact, that's probably the key sentence - because it is what they tell themselves.

I wish more GC women would recognise this is happening and question why these men are so obsessed with trans children (I know some do). Please just be wary of these men.

There isn't 'A Feminism', there are many schools of Feminist thought, each with their own political, social and philosophical analysis of how society and the state treat females.

Perhaps you dislike the particularly dominant form of Liberal Feminism that's been embraced by civic society in recent decades, or perhaps you dislike Third Wave Feminism? I don't understand just hating Feminism in its intellectual entirety.

It doesn’t just mean “not trans”, it means signing up to your belief system. Otherwise a “trans woman” would be a woman who identifies as a man. No thanks.

It's a shortcut in speech, not a swastika.

You sound like the male teachers at my old school who grumbled about women using 'Ms' and used to put a sarcastic emphasis on the word. Oh and the ones who hated 'Chair' and 'Chairperson'.

Were you around for that? And the furore of "where no one has gone before" in Next Generation? Because 'man' was argued to include both men & women?

Language evolves, that's all. It's changed to better include women, gay people, people of colour, the disabled and now trans people. Everyone benefits from that.

I wrote this in an email at Christmas to an old uni friend: "My youngest played the lead role in his drama school production at Christmas. I think he may have been the first trans boy to play that particular role, though I would hope cis girls have played it too."

See? Adjectives are useful. Trans people exist. And the world moves on.

Language evolves, that's all. It's changed to better include women, gay people, people of colour, the disabled and now trans people.

This in defence of "cis simply means not-trans". So, by extension, you're saying straight people are called not-gay or something like that? What do we say for not-brown; not-disabled and ... not-men? Or would it be the other, other way round? Or could you be spouting nonsense and the language hasn't materially changed?

To clarify, in case you're still feeling a bit slow: a 'trans woman' is male. To make the 'woman' part of the name work, you want us to evolve the language so woman includes females and males. But females and males are still very different, so you want us to apply prefixes denoting two different sexes of 'woman'?

I mean, if we were to rob the words 'woman' and 'man' of their millennia-old meanings, it would surely make more sense to evolve towards female-woman and male-woman 🤔

Seems a bit pointless if you ask me. We've already got serviceable terms: a male-woman is a man.

oh no no no. If you’re saying GC women are aligned with the conservative right because of the groups they work with, I’m saying you're aligned with the pedophile apologists John Money and Volkmar Sirtusch. And believe me, their ideas make the conservative right look like angels

To be fair, Im more wary of those men who insist they are women and demand access into female spaces, then threaten women with rape and murder if they say no. I mean, how do you feel about the poor woman sexually assaulted by a male in prison? Any sympathy for her? Or the woman denied parole because she’d complained about him? Or Katie Delowskis 20 year old victim thst he assaulted in a women’s bathroom? Or those children who are lied to that they can change sex and be seen as the other sex if they just “take these drugs and get this surgery”?

So much projection!

Can you write any posts without mentioning children??

More projection than Cinema Paradiso.

It’s all they’ve got. I mean, the TRA have realised men demanding access to female spaces using threats of violence and rape isn’t a good look, so they’re using children as an ideological football. If they can convince people being trans is innate, and not affirming “gender” will harm children, they believe people will accept adults invading the spaces abd sports of the opposite sex.

What I don’t understand, if all it takes to “change gender” is to say you have, and maybe put on the clothes more associated with the opposite sex, why children have to take drugs and have surgeries to “change gender”? why is there such a concerted campaign to encourage children to believe they are trans?