What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

My word, there's a lot of detailed anecdotage on this thread that I'm not convinced ever happened.

“Sex realist”
”Sex realist belief”

I really can’t get over how or why this expression is being used, what it’s meant to signify and how “realist” is somehow a derisory term.

That question has been asked before.

I have often wondered why being a 'sex fantasist' (surely the opposite of a realist on the subject of biological sex) is meant to be a good or desirable thing?

I could start using 'sex essentialist' if that would make people feel better.

I could have better said "other peoples' whim"

It doesn't remotely matter how anyone feels about it. Reality is reality.

And I don't believe you've explained what happens when the 'trans kids' who've been affirmed and confirmed in their preferred version of reality hit adulthood and the laws on single sex provision. Won't it be even harder on them to suddenly have to switch?

Apparently, the studies say socially affirmed children continue to pursue medical transition.

Post FWS, I sense most youth are ignoring the attempted segregation from single sex public accommodations if they are unnoticed. If they are visually trans, there's no change post FWS—they're mocked daily by non-trans people simply for moving through life and will either not engage with single sex provisions at all or use 'third space' facilities.

It seems more and more privileged trans youth are moving out of the UK to countries that at the very least socially tolerate the presence of trans people.

You know people can see you avoiding all the questions and continuing to vaguepost emotive crap, right?

The only group of people to have their pants in a twist about my trans life history are sex realists.

Would you prefer me to say that after four decades of adulthood, I confidently feel sex realist proclamations about the impossibility of sex change are full of it? That if I were young today, the sex realist campaign would feel more dangerous to my wellbeing?

There was no coordinated effort to control and/or prevent trans lives when I was young. There was no social support or cultural acceptance either.

Existing as a trans person in the UK is horribly difficult now. Almost impossibly difficult if one is visually trans. Sadly, trans people will continue to be trans, regardless of how illegal it becomes.

See my previous question.

I don't believe it is a realistic expectation.

There is a law that sex realists believe turns all spaces used by women into single sex spaces. I think several more legal changes on the rights of trans people will have to occur before such an expectation of forced-switching of trans people's lives can be willed into existence.

Translation: fuck women's rights to safety, privacy and dignity, I'm going to do what I want.

Not a surprise.

Yes good post

This is the sex realist response to the request for trans people's dignity. Yes.

I don't think women on here are in the slightest bit interested in your endless posts about your personal issues. Sorry if that's blunt but it's clear that you post repeated personal anecdotes in an attempt to persuade parents, professionals and other posters that your personal issues should influence child safeguarding, parenting and how women feel about male sexual violence.

You get nowhere because most of us are used to the "whataboutery" that children, teenagers and toxic men use to get our attention or attempt to get their own way.

We're also used to certain posters on here (mainly men) repeatedly attempting to derail discussions about children and safeguarding by reframing discussions as being about adults.

You really can't expect to get an uncritical response when you repeatedly try to swerve discussions about safeguarding mentally vulnerable children onto your own adult issues.

Hear hear

My ex was exactly the same. He’d harangue me for hours, not listening, just wanging on until I gave in, Does anyone else visualise opera warm up excercises when reading those posts …..

As a group, sex realists regurgitate an ever growing list of fantastically depraved and criminal motivations of trans women while occasionally referencing a biological essentialism of sex.

My words have a basis in an experience of living as a trans child and youth, and then a full adult life as a woman.

But I already knew how you felt about my words.

There was no coordinated effort to control and/or prevent trans lives when I was young

Because everyone knew that people can't change sex. People accepted gender benders.

Then you came along and fucked up society.

"...He posts graphic nudes of people he says are trans children without their consent for pity's sake. That is not normal behaviour."

Yes, I too remember him posting the post top surgery photos he suggested were of a child. The sex realist controversy whipped up so many people, the subject of the photo was forced to post a video clarifying that they were not a minor at the time of their surgery and that the procedure was none of anyone's business.

Society was fucked up before we were born and will continue to be after we are long gone.

Funnily enough, women on here "have a basis in an experience of living as a girl and teenager and then a full adult life as a woman". Yet you dismiss women's reality as it fails to match your fantasies.

We already know how you feel about our reality, our words and our knowledge and care for our children. You expose all this when you post on a feminist board full of women.

My experience does not negate the experience of others. Unlike yours I suppose.

Maybe go back and read some of your posts? There are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of them. Look at how you desperately attempt to overlay women's experiences of motherhood, love for our children, understanding of our sex based reality with your own narrow personal experiences? And maybe ask yourself why you're so attracted to trying to dominate women in this way?

It will need some self reflection and perhaps an uncomfortable insight into why you choose to repeatedly post in place where you display such contempt for women's reality?

It's up to you whether you choose to engage in that level of self insight or not.

I'm not going to collude in derailing this thread any more - 3 posts from me challenging your endless posts is more than enough.

I'm not sure it's very productive if one side of a conversation thinks the conversation is about safeguarding, and the other side thinks the conversation is an opportunity to explain at great length about their ontological essence.

John Lennon made a whole bunch of solo albums in the 1970s that even diehard Beatles fans pretend don't exist, because John imagined that the minutiae of his life with Yoko were as fascinating to the rest of the world as they were to him.