What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

We were thinking of the same thread then.

So a potentially ASD/ADHD kid declining to lie is what you class as horrific bullying.

Enlightening, thank you.

Yeah I struggle with non standard pronouning etc due to my autism. I have a female friend who has non binary identity and I just can't manage the they themming. I think there's quite ironically a general lack of understanding about how taxing it is for us ND folk to mask all day and then mask mask per person to track all the gendentities.

My interpretation of that thread is the member's son is acting out based on his mother's (and possibly fathers, but he is rarely referenced in the thread) sex realist beliefs. A six year-old trans child living life as trans is not a lie, it is not a belief, it is the child's life.

No, I didn’t blame it on trans people. We are where we are for many reasons, but feminists have always wanted to dismantle gender stereotypes. Without gender stereotypes, how does one describe feeling like a member of the opposite sex?

Who can really know how the opposite sex feels? I don't. I know how I am treated though. Trans people are affected by stereotypes as much as anyone else. I'm sure some trans people are motivated by gender stereotypes. 'Trans' is a very inclusive definition. I'd be willing to bet that there are far more Christian conservative 'tradwives' reifying harmful stereotypes, than trans women.

So without resorting sexist, outdated stereotypes, how would a six year old girl be any different from a six year old boy? If we disregard biology of course.

But how do you know you are treated as a woman and not a trans identifying male?

Ideally, neither would be treated differently.

No child should have to lie about another confused child's identity. The poster's son knows the sex of the child amd shouldn't have been forced to indulge a fantasy, probably imposed by the parents.

You've evidently not read the thread - or have failed to understand the comments from the parent about how to manage a difficult school situation where a young child is not being safeguarded by the adults around him and has been led to believe - at the age of 6! - that he's really a girl. I won't rehearse the arguments on that thread but it's risible and misogynistic to suggest that it's middle aged women speaking out about the need to safeguard children who are the problem. It's the dodgy adults selling them the lie that a sex change is possible who are responsible for all this.

Here's what happens to little children when adults lie to them that they're really the opposite sex.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

Acknowledging another person isn't lying. This parent (and by extension mumsnet) is more concerned about this six year old trans child than the children in the school, the teachers in the school and administration combined.

Adults characterising this child's life as a lie, a fantasy and confusion is not making the world a better place.

That thread was an interesting read and I agree that there is definitely coercion happening on the part of the parents, the trans child refers to himself by his "boyname" and his parents say "no, you are girlname now."

6 year olds lie all the time.

I suspect coercive parenting though. They wanted a girl, so...

So how would a six year old know they were “really the opposite sex”. The only people planting those thoughts would be predatory adults. Don’t you agree?

Many thousands of ways that increase every day of my life.

One simple example would be reading here on mumsnet how some members are stopped in the toilet by other women suggesting they are in the wrong place. This has never happened to me. I imagine if women are questioning larger women, they would feel no apprehension in suggesting that I am in the wrong place. We are subsequently told that the women share a chuckle at the suggestion after the member speaks. If I was ever in such a position, I suppose my voice which never dropped would also elicit chuckles.

Sex realists impose all sorts of motivations upon trans people.

so Because women haven’t stopped you from invading their spaces, that means you’re seen as a woman? So if a woman stopped you, you’d stop using female spaces? That still shows you being treated as a TIM though.

6 yr olds aren't all past the 'she's a girl because she has long hair' stage of miscategorisation. It's abusive to mislead them into thinking that's actually true.

Hypothetically I could have a beard and be a foot taller. That's as likely to happen as your hypothetical.

Also, I don't know what world you live in, but in the world I live in, I witness visible and/or known trans people being bullied and hated every day. Even with 'trans acceptance policies' in many school, work and organisation environments. Everyone can see how trans people are othered. There is no reality where trans people are treated as men or women, either.

Given that we've established that it's not reality - the boy has not, cannot and never will change sex - what is it if not a belief or a fantasy?

Playing along with a 6yo might just possibly be classed as kind - but when they're 11, and the sex differences are showing up in sport and the girls really start to notice the difference between male and female bodies? Suddenly we say no sorry, you're not actually a girl, back to the boys' changing room? What good does that do?

Truth from the beginning is the only way - you're perfect the way you are. As a special and unique BOY.

[This is, incidentally, a classic example of the 'children as human shields' TRA tactic. Hey kind people to agree that of course the poor 'trans girl' should be with the other girls.

Then point out how awful it is and cruel to make them go back. And then step by step, you end up at 'women can't say no to adult males because it makes them sad'.

No. FOTOFSOFAWYGTFOSM with that shit. We see, and we say no. ]

All of this is a lot of sex realist belief.

I was a trans child. I went through a lot of psychiatric visits as a trans child and adolescent. Children have a right to be children. Children should be free 'go back' or 'go forward' as they develop and mature. Children are not the devices of whim or ideology.

It's not in my gift to invite them into male spaces, it's just not. And honestly mostly do not recommend! But apart from that, I'm a one man safe space. I'm not going to pretend things that aren't true, it's just not in me, but apart from that, we cool.

This ought to be how simple it is. That's how simple it could still be if TRAs stop confusing reality with hate.

Children are all about whim. And then they grow up.

Requiring wrong sex pronouns even for a child is requiring everyone to aquiese that being "he" or "she" is a matter of mental alignment to a type of mind that is seen to fit the word. That is unfair to the many people who do not define themselves by gender stereotypes and do not believe some types of thinking, playing or behaving should be confined to boys and others to girls.

A child's belief that they are the opposite sex may be true to them, but it doesn't mean other kids have to submit to being redefined by that child's beliefs as well, which is what is unavoidably happening when they are required to use opposite sex language as if it's real and meaningful.

I'm very sorry for the children who have for some reason come to internalise such a restricted idea of who they are allowed to be, but it's really not ok to push those limited ideas of who can be a "he" or a "she" onto other kids as well. The most inclusive meaning for the words is simply sex. Anything else is a limitation.