What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

I am reminded of one of my daughters, aged about 7 or eight and furious with me. "You, you, you guinea pigs' wee wee corner". I still tease her about it now, she's in her 40s.
So I am both GC and a GPWWC. I should be in prison!

I do see serious undertones in some of these posts. Occasionally, I get real 'struggle session' vibes.

Oh, it looks like my photo of an actual struggle session has been turned down. I had found one in colour, but maybe a B&W one will be OK?

I agree that many of the posts we are seeing are like seeing a struggle session where the poster has to repeat the sound bites and perform the degradation of others to feel that they are pure enough.

There is no engagement. All there is, is bluster and empty sound bites.

I really think that it all comes across as performative because there is absolutely no substance to the arguments they put forward. And lately there really has been a number of posters that will be unfront that they actually are not interested in reading information that might show their points are badly flawed, or are misinformation. That is actually just showing how deep the ideological cultivation has gone.

When someone cannot put forward an articulate defence of their argument and resorts to abuse, denigration and belittling, it just shows there is very likely nothing of substance there. It comes across like the protestors yelling into loud hailers that we should 'Stop murdering children', 'Stop the genocide', and 'Stop killing us' (ie, the people yelling).

It is just performative nonsense that is more about making sure that they feel better about themselves and to keep the victimhood narrative alive in their mind.

It's like the wearing of ragged and patched clothes and doing the loyalty dance while waving Mao's little red book about.

I am sometimes quite glad I grew up during the Cold War and knowing about things like getting sent to a gulag for writing the wrong kind of poetry. It makes it clear what kind of freedom of expression needs protecting and who is doing the loyalty dances and running the struggle sessions.

I'm a carer, stuck indoors, currently looking after quite a few family members.

And immensely proud of my kid, who's survived the bullying and extreme violence he suffered at school - all of it inspired by online ignorance about trans children - to graduate college.

Most of the bullying was sexual. Trans children are subjected to constant harassment, forced touching and threats - thank God for the teachers who stood up for him, especially the gay teachers who would walk the corridors to keep him safe.

I'm here to remind you that raging against trans people is resulting in enormous damage to lives like his. It affected his exams, mental health and physical safety. He used to arrive home so exhausted by hypervigilance that he collapsed.

He had death threats, rape threats, violence threats on a daily basis. It made him suicidal.

Yet he stayed trans. That should tell you how important staying true to himself was.

Anti-trans rhetoric has very real effects on kids like him. Most trans kids miss a lot of school. And yet time and again I see on this forum, people say that parents 'transed' their kids. Why the hell would we do that?! Because we want our kids to go through all that?! To fail exams they were on track to ace? To feel constant emotional pain? Reduce the likelihood of grandchildren?

I couldn't stop my child being trans if I wanted to, so I support him instead. And seeing a place where kids like him are dehumanised, treated as objects of pity, and their bodies discussed in graphic detail, makes me feel ill.

Being trans is the least interesting thing about him. He focuses on his work, future, friends and interests. His life is not one big cosplay, particularly since he's gnc and wears what he wants. He is trans the same way that I am cis - it is just part of who we are.

His future was nearly taken from him by people inspired by anti-trans activism to treat him as less than human, who told him he could be sexually assaulted because "it doesn't count" and made speeches criticising trans people in class. Everyone who indulges in hating trans people contributed to that.

He's one of the lucky ones - others are dead or have dropped out. And that is down to living with constant fear, abuse and harassment.

No cis woman is helped by that. It's cowardly, inhumane and abusive to target kids like him.

And seeing obvious, actual child abusers join in on this forum and elsewhere, encouraging the idea that being trans can be equated to (or is even worse than) the trauma and pain of real child abuse makes me angry, yeah. Of course it does. There's a reason they do that.

Give over.

Your female child experienced the social policing of female people who step out of line by not performing femininity.

That's not a "trans" thing, that's a patriarchy thing.

That's society reminding her that however she may see herself, society first and foremost just sees her as a female body.

By painting your daughter as "not really a girl" you are not protecting her from this, all you are doing is removing the tools that would help her understand it and alienating her from the support networks that could help her.

Are you actually comparing typing anonymously on an internet forum where you are in the group that is throwing the insults - not receiving them - to a historical ‘struggle session’ that often ended in death? I think that’s a bit much, sorry.

But hold on, didn’t you say your child passed perfectly so no one knew they were trans? And if school was so awful, why not move schools?of course, wearing skirts and makeup all the time while claiming to be a boy might not help with this.

You’re in North America, aren’t you, not the UK?

Not that where you live is any excuse for the hyperbole.

Nope. College was the alternative to sixth form. 'Graduation' is commonly used here now. See also proms, although that's mostly secondary schools - (I still don't get why both GCSE and sixth form students have them, but there you go.)

Quite telling that on this oh-no-guess-what-the-trans-did-now forum, reality and genuine life experience looks like hyperbole to you.

All of that happened. He is still constantly approached by people who want to know "what you are" but school was a hell he barely survived.

It is children who are suffering the greatest consequences of this relentless kicking down at trans people. Own that.

All schools are like this. And his friends were there. Plus, for three crucial years, so were his big brothers - who defended him on the school bus.

All the kids knew he was trans, obviously, because he had previously attended.

And he wore trousers at school. Skirts are a fashion thing for him, especially since leaving that place. Because he's more confident now, he can express his gender non-conformity without it affecting his dysphoria.

There's a reason you all want what I've said to be lies. Every word is true.

Indeed, misogyny affects all trans people. Both trans men and women.

But because of the hate and conspiracy theories directed at them, they are excluded from the patriarchal 'women should be protected' concept.

Obviously this is usually bollocks, because women aren't safe anywhere. But those cis men who affect to protect women actively seem out trans people because they feel entitled to hurt them. There have always been people which society class as deserving of violence, and trans people are subject to that now.

The crucial point is this: trans school children are told it doesn't count if we touch you. The boys who do expect approval - from girls as well as boys.

The relentless dehumanisation of trans people means that, essentially, they are seen as fair game for sexual assault. All feminists should be aware of that.

It's quite right to be proud of your child. I'm glad they're doing well. The violence directed towards them at school didn't happen because feminists insist on single sex spaces though. You're looking at the wrong sex to blame.

It is children who are suffering the greatest consequences of this

Is true. Lied to, medicated and mutilated in the interests of the false and often sexually driven interests of unscrupulous adults.

It was directed at him because he is trans.

I think you know that trans people are accused of wanting to harm women, and are relentlessly attacked for basically everything they do. Their choices about their bodies, appearance, public visibility - even the inclusive language which seems to reassure trans men that they will be treated with respect.

Oh and their being on television and film. Their pronouns and correct names used, the clothes they wear, the make-up they use, their having babies, not having babies, getting jobs, baking cakes with friends, having scars, being shown in cartoon form, having jobs....

Again, my crucial point is this: trans children are told, it doesn't matter if we touch you. It doesn't count.

That assumption that trans kids are automatically wrong and don't deserve even minimal protection, is a direct result of the vicious, gleeful dehumanisation of trans people. They are, to put it simply, fair game in the eyes of abusers. Someone who can be attacked and then blamed for it.

That is not feminism. It's all we fought against.

Yeah that's just ignorant bs. I don't have words for how ridiculous that is.

I already said: he is trans and I cannot change that. But I can protect him from people like you.

At least get your terminology right. 'Munchausen by proxy' is a very outdaed term for parents who medically abuse their kids, it's now known as factitious disorder. Comparing me accepting my child and looking out for them with that, just means I dismiss you as an unserious person.

Guess you're going on the list of "weird about trans kids and their bodies, likes to push the idea of 'transing' despite evidence, worrying af'. I'll try to remember, cheers.

I'm sorry you found the crappiest school and the crappiest 6th form college in the UK tp, that is absolutely not the norm. Shame you didn't discover MN earlier, the education boards would be very helpful in getting school held to account, when to involve the police etc.

There are other threads to discuss how to set up schools to respect both sex based safeguarding and GC and GI beliefs. This thread is about Linehan. And about his accuser in court who regardless of gender identity has a history of horrible, bullying behaviour and deception, a small proportion of which was evidenced in the courtroom, and sufficiently uncontested that the court didn't even feel it necessary to hear the defence case before acquitting.

If you think that I haven't seen bullying on this issue in real life, and you think that this only happens online, you are, unfortunately, wrong.

It is the mindset that is the same. Can you not see that same way of thinking at all?

I was replying to other posters. And yes, this thread is about Linehan - a deeply worrying individual when it comes to women, race - and trans kids.

The people on this forum hating on Sophia might want to ask why trans kids are protesting. It's because of the vicious, uncontrolled transphobia they suffer in schools and on the street, all of it a direct result of adults pushing anti-trans hatred.

That school isn't crappy. Teachers banded together to help him, gave him safe spaces, and were great about getting him.to do sports. But teachers cannot be everywhere - in corridors, leisure spaces and above all on the school bus.

It's also a school with a mostly rural catchment area (we happened to live in the edge of a large town and were within it). Most of the kids were from well-off families.

The problems accelerated after lockdown. Many cis boys came back with appalling attitudes to race and sex. They hassled cis girls but focused on him - the sole trans boy in school. Many had '88' inked on their skin and written on backpacks.

Look at the press for a moment. Boys like that are terrorising teachers as well as girls. It's happening in every school.

Of course I regularly contacted the head, governors and above. But they can't be in a school bus.

Trans children are primary target of choice for those Tate-worshipping boys. A tiny minority marked as targets by adults who have dehumanised them.

It isn’t the same. Struggle sessions were violent psychological torture with ideological foundations. They were designed to ritually humiliate an individual in a group setting, such that the group itself became further inflamed as the ritual went on. They encouraged conformity of thought and were used as an authoritarian tool. It does not equate to ‘bullying’.