What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

I am so sorry to hear that you went through that.

The abusive coercion seems to be a feature and not a bug.

Oh it is. It’s their whole playbook. The best was when he made me sit through a “struggle session” with his group as I would not admit I was a lesbian. Anyway, sorry for the rambling, it just struck me as I was reading.

Your abusive ex was evil, and I'm so sorry you went through that.

I hope you've had decent support and can access it in the future.

I would add that I was abused by someone with learning disability. I have had it suggested to me that most people with LD are violent, and have argued vociferously against it. Individuals are always responsible for their own actions.

There is a fine line between talking out trauma and being retraumatised; I speak from experience.

Therapy encourages closure, not re-exposure of a wound that needs to heal. All the best.

Nooo. Try again. It was not just my ex. It was his whole group. And the sad thing, I was a full on trans ally. They lost me by their actions. So the good thing is, I know the playbook, I know the manipulation tactics. The ones you’re trying to pull. Linking another disadvantaged group and trying to conflate the experiences to build rapport and convince me you must be right and my ex was an outlier. Loving the faux sympathy. He tried that too. Been there. Done that. Next tactic?

Wearenotborg

Of course it would be untrue as well as stupid to say most people with learning disabilities are violent, as it would be to say that most transgender people are violent. But no one on here says that. They do say that trans identifying men show the same levels of violence as other men, and point out that a disproportionate number of trans identifying men in prison are there for sex offences. These are facts.
A notable difference between trans identifying and learning disabled people is that the first group has members and declared allies who like to routinely and publicly threaten women who disagree with them with violence, and the second one doesn’t.

Just reading this again. Are you seriously telling me to shut up and stop talking about this issue. Funny, that’s the opposite of what my therapist says, and I’ll believe him rather than some random off the Internet TYVM.

PSA:

https://www.nhsinform.scot/healthy-living/womens-health/girls-and-young-women-puberty-to-around-25/periods-and-menstrual-health/delayed-start-to-periods/

'If you haven’t started your period by around 16, it’s a good idea to see your doctor to find out why it hasn’t happened yet.'

Because this is NHS Scotland, they neglect to mention this information applies to girls.

'Some people start their periods later than others,'

It's another shaming tactic.

Care to discuss Erik Schineigger, TransP?

ETA- this post was in reply to Wearenotborg.

TransP has to be a TERF double agent - I mean every thread they're on they lay out open goal after open goal for us to lay out the facts in detail

Thank you for your service TransP

I saw this on twitter and thought of this thread, this analyses the arguments used that we so often see. Often they are in the same post or in subsequent posts.

x.com/hothingsgirlsay/status/2051375505362784316?s=46

“This is a masterclass in persuasion layering:

– Presuppositions disguised as questions
– Emotional stacking (past harm → present threat → urgency)
– Moral framing that makes disagreement feel unethical
– And a critical factor bypass at the end

“Even if you don’t understand…”

That line removes the need for thinking and replaces it with alignment.
That’s not accidental. That’s design.”

It has lots of the tactics and soundbites we see. Including the existential leverage - misrepresented claims of historical presence and then the 'erasure' (this moved on to genocide recently).

The critical factor bypass is the part that I think is most relevant for this thread. The complete lack of curiosity about checking the veracity of information independently leading to the repetition of misinformation and the inability to acknowledge that the information they are repeating is not accurate at all.

And then the constant appeal to moral authority when the misinformation is pointed out.

No, I'm.not.

I'm suggesting that this forum is retraumatising you and preventing healing.

Perhaps posting here is a way of avoiding the horrible personal betrayal you have suffered. Your ex was responsible for their actions, alone.

I was advised by a very eminent psychiatrist (who I saw while being treated for PND) that cPTSD can sometimes be made worse by going back to the original trauma if there is no closure afterwards. That helped me; might well be different for you. I focus on the symptoms my abuser left me with, having accepted that none of it was my fault.

Obviously, nothing you did was your fault either.

I don't want to add to your retraumatisation, so won't reply to you again. I hope you have an entirely happy future, with someone you can trust.

I'm a mum with a trans son, astonished at how you're all.so focused on dehumanising perfectly normal people.

Trans people aren't creatures in a book. They're parents, shop workers, teachers. Obsessing about them.like this is genuinely worrying behaviour.

Their lives aren't a game. Or as apparently empty as yours, jfc.

That's transhausen by proxy. It's abuse, letting your beautiful girl think there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to be a girl.

And btw, womens sex based rights and spaces aren't a game. The female sex isn't a joke, we aren't a game, and dehumanising the female sex's needs and rights isn't a game.

I’m glad you won’t be replying to me. You’re using the exact tactics my ex did. The change from berating to faux sympathy and yes, you do seem to be suggesting I leave this board, I ain’t going nowhere bud. The thing is, I know the TRA playbook. I’ve lived it, I can see your manipulations and I will point the out. Loudly.

That’s the trans “son” who is totally mistaken for a man, but wears makeup and skirts.

And yet here you always are

if this is such a terrible awful place, why are you such a frequent flyer?? No one's forcing you to be here and you quite clearly haven't persuaded anyone of anything you see

but you keep coming back for more

I don’t believe anyone is dehumanising any group here. I do believe though that you are constantly using catastrophised language to shame people for normal reactions and for factually based discussion. Something you don’t seem to be able to engage with.

Nearly every post of yours is belittling, demonising, dismissing or denigrating people who choose not to act as if they support your beliefs or choose to discuss issues without the emotional trimmings that you use. You have crossed into being abusive on this thread and as yet, you have not produced any evidence to support your claims.

’Obsessing about them.like this is genuinely worrying behaviour. Their lives aren't a game. Or as apparently empty as yours, jfc’

This type of post must play well on other web sites, after your posts here just on this thread alone, I think falling into this familiar pattern must make you feel righteous and good about yourself and your decisions. However, these accusations are just coming across as more projection from you more than anything else.

You are posting here too, so I guess that make you ‘obsessive’ with an ‘empty life’. Good thing not one poster on this board considers the lives of female people ‘a game’, it being a feminist board.

And didn't exist in January

Yeah. It’s schroedingers son.

I can't recall the username but we had a TRA here a few months back who claimed that their children didn't know they were "trans".

Both male and stereotypically female, and a nephew/niece or child depending on the day.

How interesting.

That's right 😄

Honestly. Quite apart from anything else that would be an horrific abuse of parenthood.

Something that clearly hadn't occurred to that man when he concocted the fantasy to tell Mumsnet.