What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

You're doing the trans movement absolutely no favours here. You're just blathering on about how something that is obviously false is actually true. People might then start to wonder how many other things you're completely wrong about. You'd be better off just admitting Khelif is male.

You don't know anything about her body, and lack of menstruation is common. It doesn't make anyone cis male.

Targeting her like this is not feminism - it's misogynistic, racist abuse.

It didn't happen 'overnight'. He knew at puberty! He knew when he ejaculated instead of menstruated. He was discovered playing football with the neighbourhood boys. Something Algerians tell us is forbidden for girls in Algeria.

He knew. His family knew. He knew from puberty.

One look at him and we all know. No swab needed.

The Olympic Committee said they go on 'gender identity', it said so in their own online information and documentation. His passport said F. They themselves repeated that is all they went on.

It's very racist to try and claim this is about him being Muslim, without acknowledging that he doesn't adhere to the religion.

1. He was playing football with the neighbourhood boys (that is how we was discovered, btw, per his own admission) - haram in Islam.
2. He doesn't wear hijab - all other Algerian female athletes do.
3. He mounted the shoulders of his male coaches. HARAM for a Muslim female to do with a male that is not her husband.

So don't give us this Muslim stuff. He does not act at all like a Muslim woman. He is called out not for not being 'feminine' but because his male skeletal structure and gait makes it more than clear he is a male.

Btw him losing 9 fights to females out of around 50 does not prove he isn't male. Sometimes men will lose to a woman, does that therefore automatically mean men aren't stronger? The 'oh but men occasionally lose fights to women therefore men don't have an advantage' bs. He has already put one woman in hospital and fractured her skull (unheard of for a fellow female boxer to do to another female boxer), and his testosterone-driven, strength-driven punch, as a male, was so hard he forced his opponent to withdraw in tears immediately. The difference between a male punch (176% harder than a females) was immediately obvious.

Last, but certainly not least, he failed a sex test not once, not twice, but three times. The tests were carried out by CAS agencies, which are affiliated with the IOC. So, legit. Even he admits he has a chromosome problem, and his coaches have said he was female chromosomes. The medical documentation proves he is fully male.

What will it take for you to admit that feminists were (as always), right yet again? If you want to argue for transwomen you can do that without claiming an obvious male isn't male, with bs disingenuous reasons. You simply cannot admit the feminists were right all along. You don't have the self respect or courage to admit it. You'd rather make a laughing stock of yourself on here with your desperate clinging to outdated and debunked excuses, than admit 'ok guys, you got this one right'.

You don't get to age 24 and not having had a period WITHOUT your parents dragging you to the Dr. At the very least, since in sport periods are tracked, per female athletes, as they can affect performance; your coaches would have asked when your last period was and raised the alarm if he got to his age at the Olympic in 2024, and never menstruated.

We know everything about his body, as the RELEASED MEDICAL DOCUMENTS TELL US.

Forgot to add the IOC information about eligibility, as you can see, it is by gender 'identity' only, even they admitted this at their press conference on the issue back in 2024. Of course, this section will now be updated since the rules have now changed.

oh please, this is embarrassing. Do some reading and try to understand the basic science.

The language being used in this post is hyperbolic and is emotionally manipulative.

‘Hate on’, ‘heroic’, ‘saviour’ .

It is polarising and in line with the catatrophising cognitive distortions being used to support arguments that are not being supported by evidence or logic.

lack of menstruation is common

No menstrual cycle by 15 or 16 warrants a trip to the doctor, precisely because it’s uncommon.

It can be true that a man is both vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation as well as themselves harassing, abusing and intimidating. And that can be said about Brooks by some people.

It doesn’t mean that Brooks’s behaviour should not be highlighted and discussed. It also doesn’t mean Brooks is vulnerable as some peoole say. There should not be any excusing of the way that Brooks has behaved.

But again, there does seem to be a disconnect in the polarised claims from some people supporting that any male can be a female person, that children and young adults should not be held responsible in any way for their actions and that those same children and young adults are to be treated as being the opposite sex if they say they are (either medicalised or supported in language and belief).

The disconnect is really clarifying.

There was nothing about Graham Linehan's victory in the two main Irish newspapers, and nothing on RTE radio (Irish BBC) at all during the weekend. It's like there is a complete omerta in all Irish news. Quite extraordinary really.

The best selling Irish Independent mentioned the court case on Thursday, but no writer put their name to the piece, instead it was taken from the Press Association. The article in both RTE and the Irish Journal are word for word the same and are also taken from Press Association.

The IOC had a verifying process that was open to error and was exploited. They removed sex testing in the late 90s because of arguments like some you have used. The committee was convinced by a group of people who were promoting a purely philosophical view point ungrounded in biological reality, for situations that are significantly impacted by that biological reality.

It was wrong at the time. The female athletes who complained were poorly treated.

“IK continues to be targeted because she is Muslim and doesn't look feminine enough for misogynist and racists.”

This Is embarrassing for you at this point.

This has nothing to do with Khelif’s religious choices. It loosely has to do with his country not having adequate health services where he was born to investigate his medical condition immediately before an error was made in his passport.

It is an act of misogyny to claim a male person is being abused because he has male body cues that means he looks too ‘masculine’ to be included in female sports events.

He is not investigated because he doesn’t look ‘feminine’. He was investigated because he has male body cues!

Feminine (a term I don’t use but others do) looking men still have male body cues.

But do you really support a woman being judged male on the basis of a swab test?!

Haha!!

Er, as opposed to supporting them being judged the opposite sex on the basis of saying some magic words!

Let's think, scientific sex test, versus magic words...

Honestly the idiocy of this ideology is one thing, but making yourself say it, in public?

It can be true that a man is both vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation as well as themselves harassing, abusing and intimidating. And that can be said about Brooks by some people.

It's not just possible, it's common. Many, maybe even most, abusive men were once children being abused or witnessing abuse. It's heartbreaking.

READER’s NOTE:.

Lack of menstruation IS common for male people.

For female people it is not common. And it is usually investigated medically by mid to late teens especially if there has been a complete lack of menstruation.

Even elite female athletes menstruate or have shown signs their body is getting ready for menstruation by mid to late teens. It is very rare to never have shown signs of menstruation at all by mid to late teens or never had a period at all. I would predict no parent would not have had their child’s medical health checked with some thoroughness if this were the case.

Yet this misinformation continues to be spread.

You don't know anything about her body, and lack of menstruation is common. It doesn't make anyone cis male.

Rubbish! I's not common at all. The incidence of primary amenorrhoea is less than 0.1%. In females of course. For males like Khelif it's 100%.

Lack of menstruation is not normal. If it occurs in any female person, including elite female athletes, then it should be investigated - it can have serious health consequences. Hand waving it away as ‘common’ is ignorant at best.

Allowing males into female sport is misogynistic - that’s what you’re supporting, so guess who’s the misogynist.

I know it does seem common.

It was also something one of older Finnish studies picked up in their questionnaires.

I believe it is a lack of ability to self regulate or a rejection of self regulation.

No I did not say Sophia Brooks is being manipulated. I don't hate him. But I do think he's a loathsome individual who set out deliberately to intimidate and harass women at the conference. In addition he decided to do the same to Linehan. Brooks choses to hang out with convicted sex offender S Hayden, and with that other loathsome man Fred Wallace.

Linehan is not convicted of anything and all the mud you're trying to throw at him fails to stick. You label him ever name under the sun while defending Brooks. That says a lot about you.

Amazing how soo many TRAs angrily assert all manner of things about 'being a woman' whilst knowing fuck all about any of it.

Yes, and continue to assert that Khelif is a woman, despite actual evidence posted upthread that Khelif is an XY male. And then chucks accusations of "racism" into the mix, as if we'd all be absolutely fine with an XY male in women's sports as long as he's white.
Khelif doesn't need a cheek swab test - we already know he's male. We knew before he even started punching women in the Paris Olympics - he'd already been disqualified from other boxing tournaments due to a failed DNA test. What he needs is to be stripped of that medal, and to stay out of women's sport.

Yet you had made claims on this thread that Khelif has a vagina and ‘breasts’ .
(Assuming breast development in line with estrogen derived development is what you meant.)

You are the one person who keeps making these unfounded statements about this male athlete’s body and then when challenged never providing evidence. It is like you make statements that you have never thought to verify, maybe you read the statements and found them convincing or plausible.

But the issue seems to be you are not interested in seeking out the facts. It comes across as you desperately trying to hold beliefs that were never based on material reality together at this stage.

I would very much like TransP to explain why pointing out that Eric Schineigger is a male with a DSD is not racist or misogynistic, however, pointing out that Khelif (or perhaps, Semenya) is a male with a DSD is - according to TransP's posts - very much racist and misogynistic?

Why the double standard?

IIRC, GlovedHandCecilia was also unable to answer this question.

I can only conclude the the assertions are to shut down the topic by trying to shame the posters.

"I can only conclude the the assertions are to shut down the topic by trying to shame the posters."

Yes. This is exactly how some people deal with the dissonance that clangs away in their misinformed statements. They attack.

In this case, they seem to ignore the inherent misogyny and racism that comes from sporting organisations allowing these male people to take the places that should be offered to female people. Imagine how many girls and women have been displaced by each of these men in them getting to the Olympics?

It is a case of 'look over there, there is a unicorn! No, no... not that far over there, just there at that unicorn, ignore the dragon that is coming....'

Yes, if Khelif hadn't been selected for the Olympics, a female Algerian athlete would have been there instead.

We don't have to 'imagine' the number of female people that each of those male people that the sporting organisations have centred above female people have displaced.

AN ANALYSIS ON HOW JUST A FEW MALE PEOPLE CAN CAUSE HARM TO MANY FEMALE ATHLETES - THE FALSITY OF 'JUST ONE'

@hecheateddotorg
18th March 2025

To analyze performance differences between "trans"-identified male and actual female participants in girls' sport, we need look no further than girls' high school track and field.

Track and field provides the clearest data as it is an individual sport and has had the highest number of recorded male participants to date at the high school level.

There are a total of 37 male athletes on record who have participated in girls' high school track and field in the United States.

Of these 37, one athlete participated in only one race due to the cancellation of the season during the COVID 19 pandemic. Another athlete participated in a tech/private school league that did not participate in a state championship. These two athletes will be excluded from the data.

Out of 1,276 completed events, male athletes finished as follows:
1st place: 440 (34%)
2nd place: 188 (15%)
3rd place: 123 (10%)
Other: 485 (41%)

Male athletes came in 1st 34% of the time, only 7% less often than they did than any other place outside the top 3.

They finished in the top three in 59% of their events and outside the top eight in only 19% of their events.

24 of the 35 male athletes (68%) qualified for their respective State Championship meet in a total of 136 events.

When looking at athletes competing against same-sex peers, depending on the state and division of competition, anywhere from 5 to 15% of athletes are expected to qualify.

For example in states that use regional-sectional qualification, the top 4 finishers at a regional meet (often with 2 heats of 8 runners each) qualify for the sectional meet where the top 4 finishers at the sectional then advance to State. This means that out of 32 runners at regionals, only 4 (12.5%) will advance to State.
This number also does not take into account the fact that only the best runners on a team will be entered in a regional meet and often the same runner will qualify in multiple events. A runner may also have a higher chance of qualifying in a relay as 8 runners (top 2 teams) advance to state rather than 4 in this type of qualification.

In other types of qualification or less competitive, smaller regions, it may be easier to qualify.

At the State Championship meet, there are typically 24 entries in each event. 1 of the 24 will win, meaning 4% of the 15% of athletes who have qualified for state will be a state champion, or 0.6%.

Of the 24 male athletes who qualified for state against girls, 11 of them (46%) have won a state championship title, or 31% of the total.

4 of the 35 male athletes (11%) have also achieved a top 10 national ranking.
The percentage of male athletes who have been in the top 10 of all track and field athletes in the female division in the entire nation is higher than the percentage of female athletes who have won a state title.

To find the percentage of female athletes who are in the top 10, we can take the 57 indoor and outdoor events ranked on milesplit. com multiplied by 10 (10 athletes in each) then divide by the total number of female athletes in high school track and field - 506,015 (according to nfhs. org).

This number does not take into account the fact that many athletes in the top 10 appear there in multiple events and several of the 57 events are less commonly run. (All 4 male athletes in the top 10 achieved that placement in a main event).
This means less than 0.11 percent of female athletes achieve a top 10 ranking.
"But not all states require hormone therapy!"

It is true that some states do not require males to undergo any sort of testosterone suppression or medical intervention in order to compete against girls.

We can therefore, look to the athletes who have reportedly begun "identifying" as the opposite sex and undergone "medical interventions" prior to puberty or in early middle school as it has been proposed that males who do so are in line with "average female performance."

There are 3 athletes who have reportedly "transitioned" prior to puberty. Based on their feminized appearances and high voices, we can infer this included puberty blockers.

All 3 athletes qualified for the state championship meet, 2 of the athletes were conference champions, and one athletes was not only a state champion and New England champion, but he was ranked in the national top 10.

None of these performances are in line with an "average" athlete. In fact, the national ranking out of three athletes is statistically unlikely to the point of being impossible without an athletic advantage.

"But you just know about the athletes who are good. There could be more you don't hear about because they don't win anything."

When we look at the expected percentages, we can see that about 6 out of 1,000 athletes win state and 1 out of 1,000 are in the top 10 national ranking.
In order to see the 24 males as state champions and 4 males in the top 10, there should be around 4,000 males who have competed in the girls' division in track and field. (3,965 additional athletes, none of whom can have won a state title).

There have been 37 on record.

Numerous state senators and legislators have come forward testifying to the number of "trans"-identifying males participating in their states.
When these legislators testify that there have "only been 2" in the state, or in the case of Ohio, 17 athletes in 8 years, and these numbers include all sports, and when male athletes have been banned from participating in girls' sports in about half of the states in the nation, it is not likely that there are an additional 3,963 male athletes that not only does nobody know about, but who also have not won a single state title.

In regards to the prepubescent "transitioners," there should be an additional 1,000 of them who have not won a state title or achieved a top 10 ranking. This is also highly unlikely, as we've seen multiple prepubescent "transitioners" in other sports also winning national and state championship titles.
Male participation in the female division is not just unfair, it is blatantly so.
These percentages do not reflect the cost to the female athletes behind them. Just 2 male athletes in cross country and track and field in Maine have negatively impacted over 2,000 female athletes.

If each male athlete negatively impacted 500 female on average, that means over 18,500 female high school track and field athletes in the United States have been forced to compete against and have been negatively impacted by these boys.

This includes loss of titles, loss of medals, loss of relay spots, loss of entries in large meets, loss of qualifications for championships, loss of records, loss of privacy, and loss of confidence.

*2 male athletes in Maine negatively impacted over 1,600 girls

3 boys in Washington, over 2,000

This is just state level championships for high school aged children. The number of negatively impacted girls and women will be much higher for gaining Olympic team places.

I actually don't think 'misogyny and racism' applies to the people that these posters are accusing at all. It applies to the people who have allowed these male people to compete as female people in any competition. And then by expansion, anyone who is trying to shut down the discussion about this issue.

that poster and OPW remind me so much of my TIM ex. He got me when I was very a very vulnerable place in my life. He used to harangue me for hours if I made the slightest diversion from the TWAW script, until I became ill. He escalated to violence, bullying and intimidation until I gave in. He got all his friends to bully me too. The funny thing was, I was totally TWAW and #bekind until they all told me to educate myself. So I did, became stronger and here I am.