What is in the water this week?! Glinner now making a mockery of the cause

[RobynMiller]

I know I know I should just get off twitter but this week is just back to back GC news and not in a good way.

If you haven't seen, Glinner posted a video mocking Green Leader Zack Polanski, understandable plenty of material for a comedy writer there, but the video is so unhinged and unfunny.

Some speculating Graham was drunk when he made it but it's been 24 hours and he's left it up so maybe not.

I feel like we are finally gaining real ground in this fight and this makes GCs look like a bunch of lunatics.

I know there is no formal hierarchy but like it or not, for better and worse, we do have public faces and 'spokespeople' for this fight and this is just embarrassing.

I just feel so helpless because there can't be any accountability for this kind of thing but my God.

Thanks for listening to my rant, just been a very frustrating week.

Video here: https://x.com/Glinner/status/2047187374699126873?s=20

Apparently we are to be distracted by being accused of hate and other things that cross over to abuse and not expect an answer to that contradictory position.

This week Róisín Murphy made a fantastic speech in Westminster, Graham Linehan's vexatious conviction for criminal damage was overturned, and Helen Joyce's book Trans was named in The Times newspapers' 25 best non-fiction books of the 21st century. Everyday Irish people are extremely proud of them and yet the media here in Ireland ignores their achievements.

The UK sees the worth of these valiant Irish people better than the establishment class in their home country.

Complaining you've been cancelled in the House of Lords and whining about trans people is not feminism, or activism.

You can keep them cheers. Women in the UK have actual problems.

any response to the numerous reasonable questions posters have asked of you, or are you just capable of coming at it with bile and fury (when you have no discussion points or actual fact based points to offer)

No one is whining about 'trans people'. I don't see us "whining" about trans men. I wonder why that is?....? This is about males. And you know it.

How do we know? If no one can define what a woman is… how do we know what problems they have?

Khelif is a shockingly bad role model for female athletes.

Not only is Khelif a male athlete, he has also shown not one shred of integrity about this situation. Plus not one shred of care for the Algerian female athletes he has displaced. Nor for the female athletes he has punched in the face.

Just like each of these male athletes with DSDs have displaced female athletes who could have been representing their country. These male athletes are not anyone for female athletes to look up to. It is the opposite.

I think we are witnessing some people’s sunk cost issues in some of the defences we are seeing to the behaviour of some male people.

If you (general you) have made decisions that are going to be shown to be harmful with an interpretation of materially supported evidence, I don’t doubt that the more that evidence you need to deny is shown to be the material reality the more you are desperate to use emotionally manipulation tactics. Not only to shut women the fuck up from pointing out the falsehoods piling up, but to make yourself feel righteous.

I suspect we will see a lot more people react this way than we have already started to see on MN over the coming years. Things like these male athletes either being proven to be male or, more likely, be retired due to injury etc so the truth doesn’t come out for decades as a solid place to start. But some of these people who have doubled down on denying the already known facts will never believe that these male people were male because to do so will crumble just a bit more of what they allowed themselves to believe.

There is a heavy investment for some people.

She's a woman.

A c is female athlete who's been examined, watched give urine samples, been seen naked by other women.

Calling her a man is a racist, misogynistic lie.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie- it is still a lie.

We know that Khelif is a biological male with a DSD that only affects males, whose sex was initially misidentified (hence the 'female' on his passport). However, Khelif was tested before the Olympics, and his sex was correctly identified at that point (or possibly before that), yet he still went into the ring and boxed women, knowing that he was male with the advantage of male puberty.

He is not an honourable or admirable individual.

“A c is female athlete who's been examined, watched give urine samples, been seen naked by other women.”

Please link up this evidence to support this. Just like the statement you made about having a vagina. You have not linked up any evidence to support that either (and YOU brought that up, by the way, before you then accuse me of being obsessed with genitals).

A medical specialist who did evaluate Khelif’s development stated that Khelif had clear signs of male development.

If you can’t link up evidence, I am going to assume you are making stuff up.

And please stop personally attacking me, it crossed into the abusive zone days ago. Khelif is male, it is not racist or misogynistic to make this point. But perhaps this is just more projection from you.

Am I a racist or a misogynist to point out that this former athlete (skier) is also a male with a DSD?

you can say a lie a million times with a straight face and it’s still a lie.

What is your position going to be when Khelif is finally proven to be male and to have known it since before he started to box internationally?

Will you make excuses or will you admit you were wrong?

He is a male who has been proven to have male genitals and male DNA. He is a thug who punches women in the face.

He is a male with intersex 5-ARD who went through male puberty and has a micropenis, internal testes, a prostate, male chromosomes and DNA and ZERO female sex organs or chromosomes.
https://www.francsjeux.com/en/short/A-medical-report-relaunches-the-Imane-Khelif-case/

Even his own trainers knew: "Interview with trainer makes clear: new Olympic champion in women's boxing, is biologically male. The trainer talks about a non-female karyotype, a chromosomal problem & a testosterone problem that they kept (medically) contained."
https://www.lepoint.fr/sport/exclusif-jo-2024-imane-khelif-a-ete-aneantie-de-decouvrir-d-un-seul-coup-qu-elle-pourrait-ne-pas-etre-une-fille-09-08-2024-2567609_26.php

And the images are the medical documents. You should have known feminists are always proven right because we always keep receipts.

Just a reminder though. Chromosomes is not the final decision factor. Which is male pubertal development which was also confirmed by the medical panel.

There really is no way to escape these two test results.

Well no. If IK was a woman ( #hes not) why not take the swab like every other athlete, and then sue the hell out of everyone saying otherwise? I mean, the proof would be right there with one easy, painless swab wouldn’t it?

You literally just said she was being manipulated by dodgy adults - but are still determined to hate on her.

Excellent demonstration of what I meant about having cake and eating it, well done.

Fwiw I think those adults should be ashamed of themselves, and no way would I ever support someone like Hayden. But I support trans women full stop.

No child becomes automatically resilient on reaching 18. They remain vulnerable and need protecting from.abusive adults - including several on this forum.

Again, nothing you're doing here is heroic. Taking part in the online pursuit and harassment of a young person is not feminism, it's abuse.

Linehan has serious form for some very suspect behaviour. I applaud every gender critical woman on here who can see him for who he is and continues to call out his misogyny, Islamophobia, racism and worrying actions toward children.

What would he have to do?! Post naked images of kids, be up in court....oh wait.

Fighting for women's rights and demanding applause for being a self-declared saviour of women are completely different things.

You seriously support relating women men - and calling them all kinds - because of a swab test?

Imagine that happens to you, if you're female. Overnight you are told to use the Gents, declared a man and every action you take framed by that swab?

IK is a woman, declared so by the Olympic Committee before competing. But do you really support a woman being judged male on the basis of a swab test?!

IK continues to be targeted because she is Muslim and doesn't look feminine enough for misogynist and racists. And refuses to be told who she is by bullies disappointed there were no trans women at the last Olympics. She has lost many fights to other cis women and does not deserve this appalling online abuse.

Well errrr yes. The test will determine if IK is male, Luke anyone except idiots ever doubted he wasn’t. Every woman competing is taking the swab test. I mean, if IK really is a female, there’ll be no issue will there? And nice try with the racism card. How did you feel when the white male Laurel Hubbard took a spot from a disadvantaged indigenous woman?

You seriously support relating women men - and calling them all kinds - because of a swab test?

When it’s a swab test that clearly and definitively shows they’re male, of course.

But how can you support TW full stop but not support Hayden, who is a TW? You never did answer, unless I missed it. How can a 10 year old make life changing decisions on taking puberty blockers, but a 17 year old is too young to face the consequences of his actions?

no way would I ever support someone like Hayden. But I support trans women full stop.

Um.

IK is a woman, declared so by the Olympic Committee

On the basis of his passport.

The IOC declared Khelif eligible for the female category based on his passport, FFS. The same way that the French boxing federation has granted him his professional licence.

Khelif knew well before Paris that he’s male - he’d already failed sex testing by the IBA and the fact that he has undergone male puberty and would never have menstruated is a pretty big fucking clue.

Nobody is ‘targeting’ Khelif for being Muslim or for not being feminine enough. That’s a straw man argument. You’ve been shown the receipts as to why nobody here supports Khelif.