No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86ezy3qvjno

Either that or the police intimidated the victim into retracting her claims for the sake of quelling the riots.

'they now believe the woman concerned "sustained an accidental head injury" following a night out and made "a confused report".

Being gangraped is hardly the sort of thing a woman would get 'confused' about. This is absolutely outrageous.

It is worrying how many people are buying into this conspiracy bullshit.
There is obviously a very vulnerable woman at the centre of all this and this constant stirring the of the pot and calling for more information is incredibly insensitive.
The police have said all that they need to say - with the woman’s permission. Leave it be now and let the poor woman recover.

I hope this whole thread gets deleted. It's disgusting. Unfounded and ridiculous allegations against the police. I hope the woman involved gets the help she needs. What doesn't help her is BS like this being posted online.

Are you saying the conspiracy is that no woman is ever being raped and it’s all lies, or that the conspiracy is that woman are being raped and it’s getting covered up?

Are you saying the conspiracy is that no woman is ever being raped and it’s all lies, or that the conspiracy is that woman are being raped and it’s getting covered up?

It's fairly obvious what she is saying.

I’m saying the conspiracy theorists are the ones insisting the police are lying for some reason.

Never question anything because the police are saints incapable of lying or manipulating victims

That’s not what anyone has said.

Is getting gangraped something likely for a woman to just 'get wrong' and be confused about? Come on, they're trying to suppress the riots.

Our little female ditzy brains often confuse a rough night out for a gangrape

Yeah, that's exactly what I said 🤣 🤔

Police vs nut job conspiracy theorists. I must admit, it's a toughie.

If it’s a police cover up then with all the media attention the case has gotten it wouldn’t stay covered up for long.

There would need to be so many people involved willing to remain quiet, and you’d think at least one of them would speak up because hopefully they care about getting justice for this woman and the safety of other women, or if that not then to continue the agenda of the protests that were held there.

Regardless, I hope the woman gets the help she clearly needs.

The amount of 'people' in here condescendingly 'wishing her well' while also condemning her by insisting that the police are telling the truth is so vile

He’s, I agree.

People are entitled to their own opinions. I generally veer on the side of the woman and if it does turn out to be a police cover up at least it will get a hell of a lot of attention rather than being swept under the carpet.

But presumably for example there’s at least a doctor who did a rape kit. Do you think they’re involved in the cover up? What about potential witnesses that live within eye sight of the church or the path the woman and her attackers would have taken? It would be more than just the police involved in such a cover up and all it would take is one anonymous source to start posting details online.

We will never know if it’s true or not, but the truth is there are women that cry wolf over this type of thing. I used to know of 3 women that did cry wolf over something similar. Which honestly doesn’t help those women who have truly gone through the horrible ordeal.

I don’t think have ever come across a mn thread with so many posters with the “yeah but women will make up rape” analogies!

Trouble is, thanks to the reticence of the government on this, we don’t really know what the figures are.

One snippet was from an foi where of the 7677 gang rapes recorded in London 2010-2018, 82% were by men not recorded as British.

Obviously there are lots of other types of crimes but gang rape is particularly brutal and creates an atmosphere of fear.

Countries in Europe that are ahead of us in their number of immigrants have published data and there are certain non European countries from where there is a much higher number of violent and sexual crimes per capita than others. We also have a lot of migrants from those countries.

I think if the government is confident that there is no additional safety risk to the public of their immigration/asylum policies, they should just publish the data and put all of our minds at rest. I’m sure it would save a lot of problems.

Something strangely similar happened in October in Oxfordshire. A reported gang rape, church yard, lone woman, and then apparently it didn't happen afterall. Very confusing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4wdypqwvdo

Change the county is basically same story…

I don’t believe “I know three men who’ve been falsely accused” and I don’t believe “no women ever wrongly allege rape”. Both are ridiculous extremes that only the most biased people believe.

I also don’t believe police are automatically good people. There are good ones and bad ones. Most are medium (like the rest of us). The way I read this is that evidence you’d expect in this area (physical on her body, cctv from the area etc) doesn’t support the allegation of rape and the woman has accepted the police closing the case. I hope she’s getting support.

I’d like to know if a medical/forensic investigation took place and what the findings were before I form an opinion. At this moment in time though, the police statement is highly suspicious.

Curiouser and curiouser.

This bit struck me as interesting in the recent BBC report on immigration. Could the police have sat these ladies down and said words to the effect of ‘the likelihood of us even charging a perpetrator is somewhere between 1.4% and 2.7% even with video evidence a then you’ll have to go through the courts and in order to get compensation you don’t need a conviction so do you really want to go through with this?’

He also never faced rape charges, as she changed her mind about whether to support a prosecution.
But Aisha was awarded more than £17,000 by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority meaning they judged that the sexual assault she had alleged was more likely than not to have occurred.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl19dzdd38o?app-referrer=deep-link

I faint, frequently. During the faints, I sometimes lose consciousness. During the blackouts, I can have very vivid and convincing hallucinations.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this woman's head injury caused a vivid and unpleasant hallucination that she believed was real and then reported to the police. This wouldn't make her a liar, but someone whose brain malfunctioned for a while.

Not necessarily the police. Some Rape Crisis centres offer independent sexual violence advocates for any woman who reports, and I can absolutely imagine an ISVA making sure a) that her client knew what the odds of a conviction were, and b) that CIC awards are decided on balance of probability. I'd even go so far as to say that an ISVA who didn't make sure her client knew that wasn't doing her job properly.