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EdithStourton · 22/04/2026 19:55

The thread in which Gosie's mysterious adventures will continue. All women welcome to join us for a virtual tipple, fun, support and arcane knowledge. And tractors.

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AngleofRepose · 26/04/2026 17:28

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/04/2026 16:02

MISS LAVISH. I prefer something wilder, bolder. - the reckless rose, the tempestuous tulip.

Reminds me, cannot believe it, but my rambling rose in the front garden is starting to bloom already! It's a repeat-flowering rose with the most beautifully-scented pale pinky orange flowers. Called Open Arms, from David Austin Roses.
I grow a lot of roses, but only ramblers and climbers, anything that goes with my wild garden and which attracts pollinators. I'm big on attracting pollinators.

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 17:30

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 17:10

A skelp to us was slap with the open hand, usually applied to a child's lower leg.
Not to us - my parents didn't skelp us at all, but it was a common enough threat in other families, as in 'Do you want a skelp?!' and was occasionally administered.

Yes, that was "skelp" to us as well.

If you gret ower much wi a skelf, some parents might threaten ye wi a skelp.

PastaAllaNorma · 26/04/2026 17:30

Does it smell divine, Angle? All my David Austin's are positively heady with scent.

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 17:32

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 17:16

My parents used to call us a little faggot!😮
It was a jokey way of saying 'you little so-and-so' - if you played a trick on them or something.
It was faggot as in something worthless as in a bundle of sticks.
Not a meatball or er..... anything else😏

Sionnach, would you have been referred to as 'thran' if you were being cross or 'contrary' as a child?

edited to add Weary to that question as I think it's a Scots word

Edited

We had 'thrawn'. Robbie Shepherd had a good way of explaining the difference between stubborn and thrawn.

Heading out. Will tell the story when I return, if anyone hasn't heard it.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/04/2026 17:38

SionnachRuadh · 26/04/2026 16:33

The dialect thing is a bugger. I frequently use Norn Ironisms without thinking - like I'll mention I've got a skelf in my finger - and only notice when English friends and colleagues look at me in bemusement.

I have a kind of love-hate relationship with Philip Roth, but I sometimes think of a great passage in Portnoy's Complaint when Alex Portnoy (and I assume this is Roth being autobiographical) talks about how he always got perfect scores in school vocab tests, until the teacher showed him a picture of a spatula.

Obviously he knew what a spatula was, and he knew it was called a spatula, but he didn't know what it was in English - he associated it with his mother, and automatically assumed spatula was a Yiddish word.

Odd, I was also thinking of Portnoy's Complaint earlier, as I was going to use 'coolth' when talking about Gosie. But I read it so long ago, & have used 'coolth' for so many years, that I wasn't quite sure if that's where it came from.

AngleofRepose · 26/04/2026 17:39

PastaAllaNorma · 26/04/2026 17:30

Does it smell divine, Angle? All my David Austin's are positively heady with scent.

It really does, and blooms, for me anyway, until November usually. I also have Claire Austin, Rambling Rosie, Rambling Rector, and Alexandre Girault. The Claire Ausin smells heavenly, but is a climber and doesn't do as well as it might, in my clay soil. The ramblers are all quite rampant, and if I had the space, I'd get some more!

The only other one that doesn't do much in my soil is American Pillar (climber). Shame, because the flowers are so pretty.

I dream of the space for a Kiftsgate!
(but I'm trying to downsize, so it may never happen)

SionnachRuadh · 26/04/2026 18:00

I will say though, since the weather has warmed up a bit, it's a good time for going out in your figure 😉

Chersfrozenface · 26/04/2026 18:03

My mother used 'coolth', though whether she got it from her background (Liverpool, then rural mid-Wales) or from popular culture, I don't know. I can't imagine her reading Portnoy's Complaint, mind.

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2026 18:05

MyrtleLion · 26/04/2026 13:21

This next one is different. Not a country house, not a polite conversation over claret.

@ifIwerenotanandroid's lab is… precise. Controlled chaos, but the kind that’s been calibrated.

Gosie arrives without announcement, as usual. She’s expected anyway.

Android has the painting set up under proper light. Not hung. Never hung. On a stand, slightly angled, surrounded by equipment that definitely didn’t come from any heritage catalogue.

Here’s the situation.

The painting looks right. Period composition, correct pigments at first pass, even the ageing behaves itself. But something about it is… too coherent. Too internally consistent, like it knows what it’s supposed to be.

Android explains, briefly:

  • it came out of the attic during a clear-out
  • no documentation worth trusting
  • but under scan, there are anomalies
  • layers that don’t behave chronologically

Possibility one:
It’s an AI-generated pastiche, but executed physically. Not printed. Painted. Which would be… ambitious.

Possibility two:
It’s genuine, but has been interfered with later—altered to align with expectations.

Possibility three, which Android does not say out loud but absolutely means:
It doesn’t belong to its own time at all.

Gosie doesn’t react to any of that. She just looks.

No magnifying glass this time. She doesn’t need it. She shifts slightly to catch the light across the surface. Watches how it breaks. That tells her more than any scan.

Then she does three things:

  • checks the underdrawing alignment against the visible composition
  • runs a fingertip just near the surface, not touching, feeling for micro-variation in varnish
  • steps back much further than you’d expect

And then—there it is.

A hesitation.

Not in Gosie. In the painting.

A line that was laid down as if the artist already knew the correction they were going to make. That’s not how real process works. Real work discovers itself. This one… anticipates itself.

She turns to Android.

“It’s not a fake,” she says. “But it’s not honest either.”

What it is, more likely:
A work produced with knowledge it shouldn’t have had at the time. Either informed by something future-facing… or reconstructed with access to data no human painter of that period could have held in their head.

Android’s time machine theory stops being a joke at that point.

So what happens next?

Gosie doesn’t authenticate it. She doesn’t dismiss it.

She classifies it.

Not for the market. For themselves.

This piece doesn’t go into circulation. It doesn’t get published. It doesn’t get “discovered.”

It gets contained. Hung in the Bluestocking if Android can bear to.part with it.

Because if it is what it might be, the last thing you do is let the wider world start asking how a painting can appear to remember decisions before they’re made.

Gosie agrees to stay a while.

Not to solve it.

To watch it.

Which, for her, is the same thing.

I wonder who the artist is?

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/04/2026 18:05

Maybe she was more racy/broadminded than you think!

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 26/04/2026 18:30

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2026 18:05

I wonder who the artist is?

Ah, that explains it! Beetle is a student of the the style of Frans Hals, the famous painting -by-numbers artist!

I also thought for a moment that Gosie's halo had slipped, but then I realised that it was a reflection of a lamp rim 😁

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 19:03

SionnachRuadh · 26/04/2026 18:00

I will say though, since the weather has warmed up a bit, it's a good time for going out in your figure 😉

Or 'in your pin feathers', but I prefer 'in your figure'😄

Sionnach I just got a book that I think you'd find interesting: it's a reprint of Vol 1 of William Shaw's 1780 Galic [sic] and English dictionary. [the subtitle says also 'Irish Dialects']
It was really cheap on Amazon, and although it's only Vol 1, I'm sure Vol 2 is available but probably costs a lot more.

It's fascinating enough on its own - even the list of subscribers is interesting - Samuel Johnson, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Duke of Queensbury [before the family got into boxing, and suing Oscar Wilde!], 'His Excellency the Earl of Buckinghamshire, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland' [Buckingham Street in Dublin is called after him].

It uses the old-style 's' with some amusing results: 'leannan-fith' [síth] is translated as fuccubus😁

SionnachRuadh · 26/04/2026 19:20

Marie that is exactly the kind of thing I would find interesting! I don't do this very often, but I do have a copy of Fr Dinneen's dictionary, and I sometimes like to open it at random and look at the definitions.

I also see on my shelf a more recent book, Practical Manx by the late Jennifer Kewley-Draskau, which is niche interest but a seriously impressive piece of work.

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 19:54

For those who haven't heard Mr Robbie Shepherd's explanation of the difference between 'stubborn' and 'thrawn'...

Robbie was a stalwart of Radio Scotland, but always had to be very strait-laced whenever he hosted his radio shows or appeared on BBC Scotland. When he acted as Master of Ceremonies, however, at highland games or at folk festivals it was a very different matter - particularly when he'd had a couple of drams.

Dae ye ken the difference atween stubborn and thrawn?

Stubborn is when wee Johnnie's mither pu's oot a bottle o California Syrup [a laxative which used to be administered to Scottish bairns on a weekly basis] an Johnnie says "A'll no tak yer California Syrup!"

Thrawn is when Johnnie says "A'll tak yer California Syrup, but A winna shite!"

RandomHypatia · 26/04/2026 19:56

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 16:50

When I was a bairn in Fife, we'd get a skelf rather than a splinter. I think that the dialect is dying out now, unfortunately.

My favourite Fife place name is Puddledub. The word 'dub' means 'puddle'. Puddledub...so good they named it twice. Sort of.

They produce great bacon.

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 19:57

RandomHypatia · 26/04/2026 19:56

They produce great bacon.

They do indeed!

Chickadeeinme · 26/04/2026 20:10

It's quite inoffensive over here to call a child a little bugger - because, of course, they keep bugging you.

DeanElderberry · 26/04/2026 20:22

A Donegal woman recently joined our craft group and was delighted when I referred to myself as being thrawn, a word I'd picked up from Belfast pal V, though in Donegal evidently it's thran.

Delighted by the word rather than by my self-confessed character.

Whereas half a century ago, in another linguistic wold, Norfolk children got shivers in our fingers, not skelfs. Same as 'shiver my timbers'.

I put a tiny speck of the valerian tablet I've taken (in the hope it will help me sleep) onto my bedside table, which was a mistake, as the cats are now taking turns at being hysterically delighted and rubbing their faces in it. I'll have to wash the cloth tomorrow.

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 20:28

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2026 19:54

For those who haven't heard Mr Robbie Shepherd's explanation of the difference between 'stubborn' and 'thrawn'...

Robbie was a stalwart of Radio Scotland, but always had to be very strait-laced whenever he hosted his radio shows or appeared on BBC Scotland. When he acted as Master of Ceremonies, however, at highland games or at folk festivals it was a very different matter - particularly when he'd had a couple of drams.

Dae ye ken the difference atween stubborn and thrawn?

Stubborn is when wee Johnnie's mither pu's oot a bottle o California Syrup [a laxative which used to be administered to Scottish bairns on a weekly basis] an Johnnie says "A'll no tak yer California Syrup!"

Thrawn is when Johnnie says "A'll tak yer California Syrup, but A winna shite!"

Edited

Very good😁
It's like the difference between the Yiddish words schlemiel and schlimazel , both of which mean some kind of eejit, but not exactly the same kind: the standard explanation is:
A schlemiel is the guy who spills soup. A schlimazel is the guy he spills it on.

MyrtleLion · 26/04/2026 20:35

I have joined together all the knitted squares from last year and crocheted a border of two rows of treble crochet to finish.

It needs to be washed so the threads will relax. It's too large to block.

Once it is dry, hopefully Monday evening or Tuesday morning, I will take pictures and post them.

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 20:40

SionnachRuadh · 26/04/2026 19:20

Marie that is exactly the kind of thing I would find interesting! I don't do this very often, but I do have a copy of Fr Dinneen's dictionary, and I sometimes like to open it at random and look at the definitions.

I also see on my shelf a more recent book, Practical Manx by the late Jennifer Kewley-Draskau, which is niche interest but a seriously impressive piece of work.

Dineen's dictionary - hours, days, weeks of fun! If I could only have one book, I'd be sorely tempted to make it Dineen's dictionary.

For the puzzled: Dineen's is a dictionary of modern Irish Gaelic, published in the 1920, which was a labour of love, so much love that the lexicographer got totally carried away at times with lists of alternative meanings giving the impression that in Irish, any word can mean anything at all.
Myles na gCopaleen got great value out of Dineen, making fun of his dictionary in his newspaper column in the Irish timesSmile

I thought of Dineen when I saw this definition in Shaw's dictionary:
Slaodan: a cough or a cold.
so far so good, but an alternative meaning is
the rut of a wheel 🙃

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 20:48

Here is Myles na gCopaleen making fun of Dineen's dictionary:
from 'Irish and Related Matters'- 'The Best of Myles'

Cur, g. curtha and cuirthe, m.

  • act of putting, sending, sowing, raining discussing, burying, vomiting, hammering into the ground, throwing through the air, rejecting, shooting, the setting or clamp in a rick of turf, selling, addressing, the crown of cast iron buttons which have been made bright by contact with cliff faces, the stench of congealing badgers suet, the luminence of glue-lice, a noise made in a house by an unauthorised person, a heron's boil, a leprachaun's denture, a sheep biscuit, the act of inflating hare's offal with a bicycle pump, a leak in a spirit level, the whine of a sewage farm windmill, a corncrake's clapper, the scum on the eye of a senile ram, a dustman's dumpling, a beetle's faggot, the act of loading ever rift with ore, a dumb man's curse, a blasket, a 'kur', a fiddler's occupational disease, a fairy godmothers father, a hawks vertigo, the art of predicting past events, a wooden coat, a custard-mincer, a blue-bottle's 'farm', a gravy flask, a timber-mine, a toy craw, a porridge mill, a fair day donnybrook with nothing barred, a stoats stomach-pump..... etc.

' the art of predicting past events'😂

Chersfrozenface · 26/04/2026 20:49

..a stoats stomach-pump...

Howling laughing here.

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2026 20:52

Chersfrozenface · 26/04/2026 20:49

..a stoats stomach-pump...

Howling laughing here.

the crown of cast iron buttons which have been made bright by contact with cliff faces
is delightfully detailed😂

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/04/2026 21:43

My fave: 'the act of inflating hare's offal with a bicycle pump'. I mean, you really need a word for that.

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