'Trans people are just trying to exist'

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Anyone seen this? Billboard in central Edinburgh. Wondering whether there are more across the country?

Yes, I used to read those and think 'Bit rude. I AM over it! Good on them. ' 🤷‍♀️

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods
There's just cutted up pear wailing and flouncing.
'I gave it ten minutes and then I weed in my shorts. That'll learn her.' (Approx quote from the OP of that wonderful thread.)

That is so often the level of the debate, They really think that throwing bottles of pee around will make us change our minds.

Bizarrely this is closer to the the truth than you realise, essentially yes, your lack of belief in their special woman feelings and "woman-ness" and your refusal to play along shatters their narcissistic and fetishistic delusion basically killing their euphoria boners this sends them into a total spin at best or a rage at worst.

I doubt that many homophobes saw the Stonewall slogan and thought 'you know what, I should get over it'.

I haven’t read the full thread - looks like it could be an interesting read. However, I wanted to record my first impression on seeing that poster, which is entirely negative, not really because of the words, but because the facial expression of the prominent individual is not remotely saying, “I’m relaxed, friendly and harmless,” but something much more negative. Guess they may have been aiming for neutral, but comes across almost hostile to me. I feel whoever created the advert has sadly missed the mark with that picture.

I agree! We do need to make our voices heard, and overly to women enablers.

Let’s also keep in mind that our justified outrage, does not necessarily deter them; going by what I am seeing, it may adversely be one of the effects they actually enjoy.

Ha!

Now I’ve seen the second version, I suspect the designer of both was a talented member of the Terven.

She has taken money from transactivists to create a trans-positive poster, but actually created one revealing the true face of transactivism.

I quite liked the "some people are gay get over it" slogan and thought it was clever. The whole point being that someone being gay really doesn't impact anyone else. I saw a few stickers trying the same thing with trans "some people are trans. Get over it" but it doesn't really work as there is undeniably an impact on others (mostly women).

Interesting that the second poster as well is only trans identified men - do they not look at the posters and think hmmm, where are all the other sex? Of course they don't - they're men!

I quite liked the "some people are gay get over it" slogan and thought it was clever.

Do you think it would have converted many homophobes though?

Wow that second poster is a bit more aggressive. We see you lads, can hear you loud and clear.

Agree re: the second. Not least in that I often think ignorance is the problem. One thing that really clinches for me that we're OTRSOH is that, unlike TRAs, TERFs love "the other" side to present their arguments - Operation Let Them Speak etc. The more people who obey this instruction to educate themselves, the better! Cos I'm fairly sure that most people already know the basic talking points by now - culture war, just like being gay, most marginalised etc. So this poster is telling them to look harder and deeper. AKA, so what have I missed, then? And that path leads inexorably up the mountain.

Wow, those posters. I can’t see them changing people’s minds as none of them in the photos look like ordinary working people. Imagine having to manage the hair clips one.

I would like to respond to the poster:

"Your body is not the problem.

You don't need to cut off your breasts, have surgery on your genitals, take synthetic hormones, follow sexist stereotypes.

Be kind to your body"

Because that is what I would like to say to the vulnerable gay/autistic/traumatised young people who are the victims of gender ideology.

And any aggressive responses from TRAs to that would show undecided members of the public exactly what they stand for

I don't think it would have changed the mind of any commited homophobes but in terms of more day to day homophobia like kids calling things "gay" to mean bad or calling someone "gay boy", yeah I think having a pithy slogan like that will have helped.

Also I think it didn't so much matter about changing every homophobes mind. Because at the end of the day gay people having rights doesn't affect anyone else at all other than in their own personal morals/conscience. I feel like trans have tried to use the same slogan but making the mistake of not first winning the moral "right side of history" battle and second, not confining themselves to their actual rights. Gay people demanded nothing other than what everyone else has so I think it's reasonable to tell homophones to put up and shut up but trans rights is a totally different kettle of fish.

Sorry that's gone on a bit and I fear I've gone off on a tangent unrelated to the thread

@FireHorse2026 Sorry that's gone on a bit and I fear I've gone off on a tangent unrelated to the thread
No, those are good points and I think talking about whether poster campaigns achieve their presumed aims is very relevant.

I never knew where 'cutted up pear' came from, so I tracked it down, I found it, I copied it and I share it.
It's a derail from the topic, sorry about that, but it is genius. I wonder does the OP know she has gone down in history? and her little one must be all grow up now!

If my 3yo had access to AIBU...
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allhailtheaubergine · 15/09/2011 17:25
AIBU to throw my bowl of pear across the kitchen?
Earlier today I demanded that my mother stop what she was doing and immediately get me a pear. She is by nature a difficult woman and she insisted on finishing her wee and washing her hands first . I explained loudly that this was unacceptable but, typically for her, my protestations only made her more stubborn. Then she moved the goalposts and decided that I could only have my pear if I said "please" (actually I worry about her in this respect - she is utterly obsessed with that word, it's not normal) so I stormed around the house for 25 minutes or so and then eventually gave in and said please (so now she'll think if she holds out long enough I'll end up saying "please" every time - made a rod for my own back there ).
Anyway, she asked me if I wanted the pear to be cut up or whole. I replied "cutted up" and the utter arse of a woman cut up my pear! I was speechless with rage! Obviously, words were not enough to express my fury so I threw the cutted up pear across the kitchen and kicked her in the shins.
WIBU?
I think she genuinely thinks I am BU and it's causing me to doubt myself. What do you think?

The other issue I have with the "trans people exist get over it" plus the posters the thread is originally about are that they're fundamentally untrue. Unlike gay rights there are issues with "trans rights" that extend way beyond peoples ignorance or moral stance on the matter.

It is interesting though that the posters use the phrase 'trying to exist' rather than stating 'exist' as a fact. While I mentioned above that this is an own-goal admission - it is possibly a bit deeper than that.

As has been established on here before - the concept of trans might exist, but the reality can't:

• your natal sex can not change
• trans is the abbreviation of transition and no transition can take place:
• you can't move from one sex to another (physically impossible) - so no 'trans-sex'
• gender as a concept is simply a snapshot stereotype of male or female in that society at that time... as such you can not move from one gender to another as the very nature of pushing outside the boundaries of the current stereotype is not to leave that 'gender' but to redefine it - to re-draw its boundaries and the relevant societal stereotype snapshot. e.g. wearing a skirt as a bloke doesn't make you 'more woman' it simply changes the norm for man.

so you can't transition from one sex to another
you can't transition from one gender to another

so at its most fundamental - it is completely and absolutely impossible to transition or be 'trans'.

That is not to refuse to acknowledge the many people who adopt that label - but underneath they still remain male / female as born, and however they define themselves they can never accurately claim to be trans...

Understanding that basic logic, it seems pretty obvious that actually this poster is a cry for help - i.e. 'we are trying to exist... but are failing...' 😉

So, perhaps the slightly tongue in cheek response is to help them come to terms with their acknowledgement of failure to be something impossible - and to help them steer that ship back to safe waters (i.e. being the man / woman they were at birth!)

The difficulty is that as a generalisation they are a crowd who shout down logic / care / help - so I doubt it will ever happen! I would love to see posters alongside saying: "Don't worry, we know that you have tried and it has failed, let us help you to become the man / woman you were born to be!"

I read the bottom line twice as 'your ignorance is to exist'.

Yes! and "Trans people are just TRYING".

Aren't they just.

From a marketing campaign standpoint I don’t think this really works. We are not the problem and then photos of miserable (and yes somewhat aggressive looking) people is really not the way to do this. They would have been far better to show happier people, who the public can relate to, and want to be around, rather than some sort of ‘we are the victims’ scenario.

As I remember the "Get Over It" poster collection it was a bit cleverer, and a fair bit more cynical, when considered as a whole campaign. There were several posters/graphics that, when considered in isolation were entirely unexceptionable, if a bit confrontational (which was kind of the point); "Some People are Gay/Lesbian/Bi - Get Over It". In other words, "these categories of being aren't even noticed by right thinking people any more, why are you stressed about it?". It was only when you got to the inclusion of "Trans" that you realised the rest of the list was just there to soften you up and define Trans as "absolutely equivalent, no difference at all, you bigot", to the other definitions, and you were obviously KKK adjacent if you thought any differently.

@MarieDeGournay that OP is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

I'll happily admit to ignorance about all sorts of things, but I can tell the difference between a biological male and a biological female. I can also recognise when people are trying to manipulate me. That means that it's not my ignorance that's the problem. It's certain people's inability to accept the law and expectations that they can have anything they want and the rest of us must do what they want because they matter more.

I completely concur, and I was thinking about it earlier when I was lurking reading the Bluestocking thread. Inconceivable as it may seem, I was debating with myself as to whether "Cutted-up Pear" or "The Stealths of Gosie" (other less clumsy titles are available..) was now my favourite piece of Mumsnet. Very, very torn..

Totally derailing now, sorry, but - shout out to 2011's allhailtheaubergine - are you still around at all? We'd like you to know that we think you are a genius