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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Trans people are just trying to exist'

87 replies

GCScot · Yesterday 12:38

Anyone seen this? Billboard in central Edinburgh. Wondering whether there are more across the country?

'Trans people are just trying to exist'
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PolkaDotPorridge · Yesterday 16:29

Men being men. Hating women.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 16:31

The "just" there is mendacious.

They already exist.

What they "just" want is lots and lots of other things that society isn't willing to give them. Validation being the least of them.

thirdfiddle · Yesterday 16:32

Trying to exist is paradoxical. If you don't exist you have no ability to try, and if you do exist you have no need to try.

Whether or not trans people actually exist would be a matter of definition. Do there exist people who say they identify as the sex they are not? Obviously yes. Do there exist people who are the opposite sex to what they were born? No. Is there such a thing as an innate sense of something called gender which may or may not concur with your sex? I'm convinced there isn't from my observations of small children's developing world view.

TWETMIRF · Yesterday 16:35

Yes, none of us here deny that India Willoughby exists for example. We just disagree that he's no longer a man. Maybe not the best example as he now considers himself to be a ciswoman.

WorstPaceScenario · Yesterday 16:42

TWETMIRF · Yesterday 16:35

Yes, none of us here deny that India Willoughby exists for example. We just disagree that he's no longer a man. Maybe not the best example as he now considers himself to be a ciswoman.

Holy shit, I did not know this. (I often stay away from this topic as I have a lot of trauma from being gaslit and hauled through a partner's gender transition before finding the courage to stick to my views on what's real and true!). I've just Googled and sure enough "Biological female. Don't identify as - am"

That's a pathological level of delusion

DramaAndBullshit · Yesterday 16:42

GCScot · Yesterday 12:38

Anyone seen this? Billboard in central Edinburgh. Wondering whether there are more across the country?

No one denies that they exist, and no one is trying to prevent them from existing. They can coexist along side me as much as they want. I’ll help them campaign for unisex third spaces, so they can be safe from idiot men who might pose a threat to them. But I won’t pander to the ideology and say TWAW, or TMAM, and accept them in women’s safe single sex spaces and sports etc.

Also, can someone put the “Adult Human Female” billboard up next to that, and see which one gets removed.

KkkIt · Yesterday 17:00

Trans people exist in the same way as witches, psychics and alien abductees exist.

GCScot · Yesterday 17:29

lifeinthelastlane · Yesterday 16:12

@GCScot could you see who it's sponsored by? I can't read what's on the bits of white paper on the poster

There's nothing to show who sponsored it. The bits of white paper are flyers for a series of LGBT+ events.

The billboard is opposite an LGBT+ bar which is heavy on the T (decorated in trans pink and blue colours). I did wonder whether the bar paid for it, or whether that site was just chosen as perceived to be pro-trans.

The other possibility is that it is an unofficial poster rather than official paid-for advertising space. It's a bit big and a bit slick for that though

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INeedAPensieve · Yesterday 17:57

Maybe someone will stick a note or postscript onto that billboard poster. Like, nobody is denying you exist, just please use the correct sex specific toilets/changing rooms/rape crisis refuges/centres to allow women their privacy, dignity, safety and/or to respect their religious beliefs (particularly since sex and religious belief are protected characteristics). Ta much. Exist away.

heathspeedwell · Yesterday 18:04

I think this would be a wonderful place to share this quick clip about what happens when women attempt to 'just exist'.

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plantcomplex · Yesterday 18:17

heathspeedwell · Yesterday 18:04

I think this would be a wonderful place to share this quick clip about what happens when women attempt to 'just exist'.

Wow.

EdithStourton · Yesterday 18:23

terryleather · Yesterday 14:42

That is more or less what happened when KJK put up her Adult Human Female billboard in Liverpool in 2018.

Woman billboard removed after transphobia row

What KJK's billboard said was factually correct and then we have this...

That was when I started peaking.
I remember hearing about the massive outcry and thinking 'WTF?'

RhannionKPSS · Yesterday 18:32

Jo7890123 · Yesterday 14:21

"Of course, if a women's group put up a billboard in Edinburgh talking about our human rights and wanting to exist there would likely be hissy fits thrown and probably protests beside it, likely vandalism too. Hopefully people just do what I did, have a quick glance, shrug and walk on to get on with their lives."

Actually, no one would be likely to mind, as long as you kept to expressing what your rights were, what rights are lacking, and what you'd like to change (and there were actually lots of posters in cities for International Women’s Day (March 8), can't see any sign of anyone being annoyed about that or complaining...).
The problem would be if you wished to denigrate the rights of another group to exist, or to express themselves calmly, peacefully, and without harming anybody..and that is the line that many anti-trans statements cross.

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Are you aware that a poster which said I ❤️JKR which was put up in Waverley Station a couple of years ago was removed?
Are you aware that a billboard with the dictionary definition of Woman as Adult Human Female was removed in Liverpool?
I also saw that billboard which has no links or identifying information as to who put it up there , very odd.
Trans people have the same rights as everyone else, however what they can’t do is force the rest of us to go along with the lie that humans can change sex

EdithStourton · Yesterday 18:34

AprilMizzel · Yesterday 15:31

Existing just isn't the problem - that's fine most have no issue with that at all.

Its' the endless and relentless encroaching on female rights, voices and spaces that the problem.

Once you see that, you can't unseen it.

I pointed it out to one of my DC recently. I'm not sure that I was sufficiently forceful, but I wait and hope...

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 18:48

SmellycatSmelllycat · Yesterday 16:27

I somehow stumbled onto a trans desisters forum the other day and found it interesting reading their opinion on how they had escaped a cult and how much hassle, aggression and online abuse they faced from the trans community.

It was on Reddit and there was a big list of rules that had to be constantly adapted from what I could see in order to stop trans people infiltrating and sharing the posts to criticise or trying to lure them back into the cult.

There was also a pinned post saying that they could no longer share images of their progress transitioning back which had been posted as a confidence boost for people who were wanting reassurance about their appearance after taking hormones and having surgery.

The photos were posted as a timeline in reverse back to their birth sex but trans people had been using it the opposite way round for affirmation and positive comments to say they “passed”.

The photos were just full of comments that were described as a “hug box” mentality and making it all about them as usual.

They try to take over every space and shout everyone down then claim they are just “trying to exist” and claim they are oppressed.

Anyone who truly sees a minority group riding roughshod over everyone’s rights as struggling to exist need to step back and take a proper look.
It doesn’t even make sense when they use the phrase “trans people exist” obviously they do! What they are really requesting is that they want to be seen as to exist as the opposite sex then claim it’s discrimination when women aren’t happy to affirm this in order to give up our single sex spaces.

Those poor people who gave potentially ruined their bodies, fertility and future health just trying to work out how to heal but getting bullied and harassed at every turn by trans people is heartbreaking.

The cult of the narcissists has to have its power removed and it will take many to do that.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · Yesterday 19:08

Jo7890123 · Yesterday 14:21

"Of course, if a women's group put up a billboard in Edinburgh talking about our human rights and wanting to exist there would likely be hissy fits thrown and probably protests beside it, likely vandalism too. Hopefully people just do what I did, have a quick glance, shrug and walk on to get on with their lives."

Actually, no one would be likely to mind, as long as you kept to expressing what your rights were, what rights are lacking, and what you'd like to change (and there were actually lots of posters in cities for International Women’s Day (March 8), can't see any sign of anyone being annoyed about that or complaining...).
The problem would be if you wished to denigrate the rights of another group to exist, or to express themselves calmly, peacefully, and without harming anybody..and that is the line that many anti-trans statements cross.

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Is that the line crossed by the billboard "I ❤️ J K Rowling" in Canada a few years ago?

Llamasarellovely · Yesterday 19:11

Oh I don't think I've witnessed a drive by scolding before, yay!
Obviously trans people exist 🙄 Not least because they never bloody shut up.

ChaToilLeam · Yesterday 19:18

Do they think they're Tinkerbell, and will die if people don't believe?

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 19:23

RhannionKPSS · Yesterday 18:32

Are you aware that a poster which said I ❤️JKR which was put up in Waverley Station a couple of years ago was removed?
Are you aware that a billboard with the dictionary definition of Woman as Adult Human Female was removed in Liverpool?
I also saw that billboard which has no links or identifying information as to who put it up there , very odd.
Trans people have the same rights as everyone else, however what they can’t do is force the rest of us to go along with the lie that humans can change sex

Gallant effort, RhannionKPSS, but Jo7890123 appears to have left, having no doubt decided that they had delighted us enough 😄

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Yesterday 19:25

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 19:23

Gallant effort, RhannionKPSS, but Jo7890123 appears to have left, having no doubt decided that they had delighted us enough 😄

Lovely Mr Bennet reference there!

Wearenotborg · Yesterday 20:07

TWETMIRF · Yesterday 16:35

Yes, none of us here deny that India Willoughby exists for example. We just disagree that he's no longer a man. Maybe not the best example as he now considers himself to be a ciswoman.

He can be a ciswoman if he likes. It’ll just be another word for trans identifying male. So they can have their stupid made up word, and women can just be women again. .

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 20:08

TomeTome · Yesterday 15:50

Well they do exist so what’s the problem?

'Trans' is a brand and like all brands it needs to keep advertising lest it be forgotten about.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · Yesterday 20:29

TWETMIRF · Yesterday 16:35

Yes, none of us here deny that India Willoughby exists for example. We just disagree that he's no longer a man. Maybe not the best example as he now considers himself to be a ciswoman.

Does he, indeed.

Then presumably he's changed the definition of "cis" because Willoughby must know that he was born male.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · Yesterday 20:33

I notice that both the transpeople on the poster are men.

No transmen on display, even though presumably they're just "trying to exist" as well. They're an irrelevance to TiMs, just as all women seem to be.

Llamasarellovely · Yesterday 20:37

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · Yesterday 20:29

Does he, indeed.

Then presumably he's changed the definition of "cis" because Willoughby must know that he was born male.

Tolerably sure the wife he impregnated and the child(ren) he sired are aware too.