'Trans people are just trying to exist'

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Anyone seen this? Billboard in central Edinburgh. Wondering whether there are more across the country?

Yes, seemingly there are 2 groups of trans-identifying males with different motives:

1. Gay men wanting to identify out of being gay (I have some sympathy for this group, we still have a heteronormative society)

1. Straight men with a sexual fetish about being treated 'like a woman' - AGPs. Who wants to put womanhood on like a costume when it suits them for sexual purposes, and throw it off when it's inconvenient

I have read that the majority of TiMs are AGPs, but apologies I can't remember the percentage. It is mostly this group who are so aggressively pushing gender ideology

One of the many reasons I hate this ideology is because;

From a socially constructed view point or expectation I miss every stereotype.
I can’t abide heels and skirts I have always worn jeans and t-shirts or smart trouser suits for work. I do all the DIY at home. I am great a parallel parking and passed my driving test first time. I own a road bike and cycle in lycra which I started getting into in middle age. I am outspoken and have never titled my head to an incline to look coy or flapped my hands when I talk.

From a biological point of view, I am very obviously a female, pretty average actually. I’m 5ft 4, I’m a size 10, I have the strength and shoulder width of an average female. I struggle to fit a seat belt around my boobs comfortably and I started my periods bang on average time for my age group. I have been followed by men in a threaten way too many times to mention since puberty, I have had a group of men attempt to rape me. I have been paid less than my male colleague for doing exactly the same job in the same time frame because 'he had a family to support’.
I have given birth, I have been through menopause and struggled with the changes that brought on so suddenly. I have been asked to check with my husband for financial matters even though I had never even mentioned I was married. I had my title and surname changed by all my family for decades after I got married even though I hadn’t changed my name or title.

It is so insulting when men say they feel like a woman. They don’t, they can’t, they can only feel like their own male stereotype or idea of my sex.

I've given time to reflecting on 'what does this exist business mean?' and thought yes, perhaps it is 'if you don't create the fantasy around me I can't live in it', but then thought - why am I wasting time and headspace on trying to figure this out?

It's real cakelady stuff isn't it? The guy who is so complicated a total headfuck and you spend so much time trying to figure him out and work out where he's coming from and devoting all this time and energy and life which he certainly, absolutely, is not busy dedicating reciprocally to you.

I have never yet seen any man with a trans identity explain what this wail actually means, or what he wants. Clearly and meaningfully explained. There's just cutted up pear wailing and flouncing.

I don't honestly think anyone knows, it's just one of the mantras that makes well meaning nice people run around in circles enabling all the drama. #overit. It's like the 'respect' word being thrown around, a demand that never addresses why is the world being divided into 'those who must provide respect' and 'those who get to demand it'. Like 'be kind', it's just another way of saying 'submit and enable me'.

No. Not your mum. Not your therapist. Not your social worker. If you want enablement, I'll be charging by the hour.

🤣 I was on the fence as to genuine or derailing but figured grey rock it and answer as though it was serious.

There’s another one in Edinburgh. It takes the message a bit further.

What do you mean by group 1?

It’s kind of “no, u”. “You objecting to men in women’s space is the actual problem, there’s no problem with us being in women’s spaces” rather than trying to deflect with whataboutery about other male violence which i assumed from the first one. Carry on boys.

I found it so accusatory. I think it might be a bit of an own goal. The ‘your ignorance’ is accusing everyone reading it.

If I was someone that wasn’t aware or much involved in the debate and I saw that..I would be thinking ‘oh fuck off and get over yourself’.

Some people think there's a third category, ROGD boys/men, autistic and trying to escape the expectations put on men. It's also possible this group overlaps with one or other of the categories you describe but I don't think all trans identifying boys and men fit those groups. I could possibly have been in this third category if gender identity propaganda had been ubiquitous when I was young; I had problems with the way people in my cultural circles expected me to behave, but these difficulties have largely resolved as I found a way of being a man that mostly worked for me.

I agree.

😯

I guess at least it's a bit less passive aggressive and more just... Plain aggressive

Group 1 as in gay men wanting to identify out of being gay?

I think there's a theory that this group may be identifying as trans because their parents find having a "daughter" who has relationships with men more acceptable than having a gay son

It's always the same message, isn't it? 'We're just lovely TW trying to live our lives quietly - but fuck you with a splintery rolling pin if you don't let us live quietly in the way we tell you to'.

Yes, I think you're right.

I think this is the group that a lot of teenage girls who identify as trans fit into? My sister is autistic and she says if she had been a younger generation and hadn't been surrounded by feminists she could easily have gone that way

Also I think a lot of people who identify as non-binary might be autistic and/or alternative and feel like outsiders who have found their tribe

I don't think women who do not want to undress or be handled by a man to gratify whatever he internally wishes to have gratified, be it identity or anything else, has any ignorance at all about what he wants to do, or why.

I'd love to know who's funding them, I bet it'll be one of the many Alphabetty Quangos that the SNP are funding.

A woman / man is defined by biology. If people wish to identify as a member of the opposite sex and present accordingly then they should be left alone to live in peace but biological sex is determined at birth.

Even when their wish is driven by their sexual gratification? Which can only be satisfied through the discomfort of unwilling, unconsenting women.

Even when that wish is driven by predatory desires?

Sadly I, and many others, can attest that if women want to gather and discuss issues that affect us, it's only a matter of time before trans identified people come out in a mob to disrupt it, threaten us with violence, and commit acts of vandalism (smashing the windows in the Brighton centre, lobbing bottles of urine).

I have never heard of women doing these things? 🤔

So no, those trans people don't just 'want to exist', are very much the problem, and yes I'm scared of them.

(Disclaimer for the hard of thinking: not all trans people do these things, but enough do to be a problem).

Edit to add: I'm not 'ignorant', this is based on real world experiences.

Providing that they don't threaten/intimidate/assault/shout down/insert themselves in women's spaces of course.

Its such a shit poster, looks like it was designed by a 10 year old.

I read the bottom line twice as 'your ignorance is to exist'.

Awful layout!

I'm not sure how is supposed to be read as anything other than really aggressive. How many people respond well to being randomly accused of something they aren't? Seems like an own goal.

If being left alone means that not one person then has been expected to treat that person as if that person is the opposite sex when they are not, then perhaps that would work.

But they aren't just trying to exist are they? They are trying to negate women's sex based rights and gain access to their single sex spaces. A great many of them want to be able to compel others to participate in their delusional ideas about themselves and want those who refuse to go along with it, especially actual women who refuse to be fired or worse. For many of them they prioritise their validation and gratification over real women's right, safety and dignity. Many would be quite happy for the definition of women to become meaningless if it made life easier for them even if it made things much harder for real, often vulnerable women. Ultimately they are men whose male entitlement is off the charts and their beliefs are literally dangerous for actual women.

Calling the British public ignorant generally doesn't end well. Reminds me of 'Some people are gay. Get over it' which I thought was just plain rude.