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Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

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BlueLegume · 17/04/2026 18:24

If I have missed any threads already started about this then apologies.

I am literally lost for words on the post she added to her podcast along with Charlie Craggs.

My own daughter has been lost to this cause. I am hoping I get her back. How utterly vile can a young woman be - Grace Campbell - towards women who have worked so hard to give her such privilege. I might be ugly and a freak Grace with awful hair. But I am not a mean girl.

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Pleasealexa · 22/04/2026 19:58

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2026 19:03

I went back to have another look at the McBride YouTube, but its been set to 'members only '. People actually pay to listen to these twerp?!

So his promotion of this podcast on X was just to drive his income?? Wow, wow

soupycustard · 22/04/2026 20:03

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/04/2026 14:33

The obsession with peeing and toilets in this bloody debate. Never in all my decades of feminist activism did we have to spend so much time droning on about toilets.
Let's speak about sport, changing rooms, the word woman being redefined as bigotry by the terminally stupid, the gaslighting of generations of children that a sex change is a legitimate life decision to cure pubertal angst, the wedging of men into every single sex group that women have chosen for ourselves or even the prevalence of threats and violence evident amongst transactivists.

It's always toilets. 😡

Edited to apologise for the rant 😁

Edited

Sick to the back teeth of it...

soupycustard · 22/04/2026 20:11

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 22/04/2026 17:15

I think we'd rather all just know that everyone in a single sex space is of the sex that doesn't commit indecent exposure, rape or violently attack women on a regular basis. Even if they have a mild beard and there's a bit of initial confusion.

Safety over very minor social awkwardness every day. Especially when it comes to my daughters.

Of course we wouldn't need to ask if predatory, boundary violating men hadn't invaded spaces labelled as single sex in the first place.

I love how you've put this. Goes to the core of the issue.

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2026 20:29

Pleasealexa · 22/04/2026 19:58

So his promotion of this podcast on X was just to drive his income?? Wow, wow

Hm. The link via Campbell's X account goes to an unpayalled version. Maybe he's graciously donated a free watch to everyone? IDK, I checked earlier and several videos said 'members only', but they don't seem to now.

SidewaysOtter · 22/04/2026 21:27

SqueakyDinosaur · 22/04/2026 16:02

Also, how does he know? Has he done a survey or something?

I expect he asked his daughter Hmm

ParmaVioletTea · 22/04/2026 22:17

BettyBooper · 22/04/2026 18:04

OMG. The ratio of his 'watch the Sarah McBride' tweet is glorious!

1.7 MILLION views.

680 likes.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's even worse than when I noticed his ratioing yesterday.

SionnachRuadh · 22/04/2026 22:35

Just a thought - isn't the whole selling point of the Leading podcast that they use their contacts to get interviews with big names who normies might have heard of - Hillary Clinton, Jacinda Ardern, Mark Carney and similar?

Isn't this recently elected Congressperson from a tiny state... well, a bit low rent by comparison?

Would they have even thought of interviewing McBride if he wasn't trans?

ParmaVioletTea · 22/04/2026 22:51

Would they have even thought of interviewing McBride if he wasn't trans?

Of course not. And by interviewing him, and not Helen Joyce, or Kathleen Stock, they show exactly where their bias lies.

BTW, for fans of Dr Stock, Double Jeopardy interviewed her last week on their podcast, about the Assisted Dying bill & her book on State-sponsored death, Do Not Go Gentle.

They don't agree with Stock, but it's a bracingly robust & good-natured discussion/disagreement.

It made me reflect on the Venn diagram of feminists critical of gender extremist ideology and women opposed to State sanctioning of killing people (or euthanasia if you want an easier word). I'm in that overlapping bit, and I'm interested in how many women are: I think that women & girls are particularly vulnerable to State-sanctioned transing, surrogacy, and euthanasia.

I dread to think what'll happen to me in 25 years when I'm nearing for 90.

SionnachRuadh · 22/04/2026 23:37

I semi-regularly check if Helen Joyce has done any recent podcast interviews, for I always learn something from her or have an angle to think about. It's not just that Helen is an exceptionally good communicator - you can't be a senior writer at the Economist without those skills - but you can see her constantly honing her arguments, listening to the interviewer, thinking about points that maybe she hasn't considered.

But it's not just getting lots of practice. It's also that she might be on a recognised podcast, but she'll just as often be talking to a random young woman with a small YouTube channel. She's got a real democratic spirit.

The Campbell and Rory show, with them coaxing pearls of wisdom from the grand thought leaders of Sensible Centrism, always reminds me of the old times on Twitter when all these smug celebrities were air-kissing each other and feeling like they were doing the plebs a massive favour by letting us look through the window at their fabulous celebrity lives, like an online version of Hello! magazine.

Even before they went mad over trans, I can't say how many celebrities I used to like who I ended up having absolute contempt for, just by way of following them on Twitter and seeing how they behaved.

If I weren't already radicalised against our political class, hearing Campbell and Rory go "tonight we're joined by the Foreign Minister of Australia, who's going to tell us all about Net Zero and disinformation" would do the job. It's Pravda level stuff.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 23/04/2026 02:34

Bluebootsgreenboots · 22/04/2026 13:27

I’ve done the same @Thingybob, listened to the podcast and agree completely.
The silence of women’s voices is deafening, particularly wrt 2 anecdotes.
AC reports that he and Tony B recalled a trans woman helping them out in sedgefield decades ago and says ‘it was never an issue’. By that I understood it wasn’t an issue for them - 2 men. I assume he never checked if any aspect of that was an issue for any of the women involved, and how he would have been sure that the women could raise issues without any of the punitive consequences we’ve seen (disciplinary/ sacking/ ostracism/ threats)
SM recounted the incident of a young staffer being evicted from the women’s toilets in the Capitol, due to being mistaken for SM himself. It turned out that this young g staffer was in fact female and therefore entitled to be there. SM uses this story to prove that those who are hurt most by excluding men from women’s spaces are women themselves (gender on conforming women / women w short hair / tall women etc). But it wasn’t his story to tell - it was the staffer’s story, and her conclusion to draw. Sure, she might have said ‘that was awful, we should never question anyone’s right to enter women’s spaces’ but she could also have said ‘that wasn’t pleasant, but it’s important that we can question anyone’s right to who we think might not be entitled to use the women’s space’.
SM argued that causing discomfort doesn’t disqualify him from using women’s spaces. While showing awareness that many women will be uncomfortable with him there he pointed out (men - evaluate for yourselves how accurately) that men would also be uncomfortable with him present. RS andAC’s silence shows hat the 3 men agree that it’s was better for women to be made to feel uncomfortable than the men. Haven forbid that men are made to feel discomfort in their spaces.

AC reports that he and Tony B recalled a trans woman helping them out in sedgefield decades ago and says ‘it was never an issue’.

It was a fucking issue, Campbell, and Blair knew it was 🤬

Extracts from a post I wrote last June:

"Hilary Armstrong's characterisation of the GR Bill as a "trivial subject" shocked me but it is part and parcel of how the Bill was introduced by stealth and then steamrollered through by the Labour Government."

"Alastair Campbell

We all know that Campbell still considers the concerns of women in this matter "trivial" even irritating.

From 2000 - 2003 he was Downing Street's director of communications and spokesman for the Labour Party. So Campbell would have been responsible for the omission of the Gender Recognition Bill from the Queen's Speech in 2003 and the subsequent dearth of press coverage.

(Keeping the next part brief, I know all this stuff and more through involvement with the trade unions and TUC in the North East from the mid 1980's - mid 2000's.)

Hilary Armstrong

Hilary was the MP for North West Durham from 1987 - 2010, having lost out to Tony Blair when seeking selection for the Sedgefield seat in 1983. She was made a life peer in 2010.

She and Tony Blair worked closely together.

Tony Blair and his Transvestite pal

Both before and after the Labour victory in the 1997 General Election, Blair roamed around trade union, TUC and Northern Labour meetings trailed by his entourage or sometimes accompanied just by Cameron and/or a very large man in a big hat, dressed like a "stately as a galleon" grande dame from a Hercule Poirot or Miss Marple mystery.

It bugs me to death that I cannot remember this person's name. (*)

Well before 2003, Blair once turned up unexpected at our Regional Women’s Committee (Union meeting) with matey in tow and introduced him to us. When Blair had done chatting and was making his leave, matey went to take a seat, clearly pre-planned. The Women's Committee Chair was having none of it and sent him packing.

All staged by Blair to get his mate installed in the Women’s Committee. Long before the GRA.

I do not know if Blair's pal was connected with Press for Change. I have searched the PfC archive and dug as deep and as wide as I can on the internet but cannot find hide nor hair of him.

However, until proved otherwise, I am left wondering if the coordinated stealth, steamrollering and "gold plating" of the Gender Recognition Bill owes something to the friendship between Blair, Cameron, Armstrong and that Mystery Transvestite."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5353941-5353941-tom-harris-former-mp-apologises-for-voting-for-gender-recognition-act-2004?reply=145027651

() "I am getting very suspicious of Angela Clayton* though!

PfC Vice Chair, heavy involvement with trade unions, along with Stephen Whittle responsible for getting the GRA2004 through. Looks pretty hefty and right hair colour and style. Trying to imagine pinning the clothes and hats I remember on the photo and it could well be Angela."

"However, another flippin North East Labour MP connection has turned up: PfC stand at 1997 Labour Party Conference with Mo Mowlam:"

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5353941-5353941-tom-harris-former-mp-apologises-for-voting-for-gender-recognition-act-2004?reply=145039987

I am still spitting feathers from discovering that both Hilary Armstrong and, even more depressing, Mo Mowlam were on board with this whole shit show.

Maybe "it was never an issue" for those two women but Blair and his mate certainly knew that other women had an issue, so I would expect that Campbell knew too.

I assume he never checked if any aspect of that was an issue for any of the women involved, and how he would have been sure that the women could raise issues without any of the punitive consequences we’ve seen (disciplinary/ sacking/ ostracism/ threats)

He didn't need to check, it was very obvious 🤷‍♀️

There were no repercussions ("punitive consequences we’ve seen (disciplinary/ sacking/ ostracism/ threats") because there was no polite "raising of issues": matey was just shown the door in no uncertain terms when he and Blair tried it on with the Trade Union Women's Committee.

What I don't know is whether it was different with women in Constituency Labour Parties. CLPs, at least back then, I don't know about now, were very different beasts to Trade Unions - where Blair was more given the side-eye than fawned over.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/04/2026 07:17

ParmaVioletTea · 22/04/2026 22:51

Would they have even thought of interviewing McBride if he wasn't trans?

Of course not. And by interviewing him, and not Helen Joyce, or Kathleen Stock, they show exactly where their bias lies.

BTW, for fans of Dr Stock, Double Jeopardy interviewed her last week on their podcast, about the Assisted Dying bill & her book on State-sponsored death, Do Not Go Gentle.

They don't agree with Stock, but it's a bracingly robust & good-natured discussion/disagreement.

It made me reflect on the Venn diagram of feminists critical of gender extremist ideology and women opposed to State sanctioning of killing people (or euthanasia if you want an easier word). I'm in that overlapping bit, and I'm interested in how many women are: I think that women & girls are particularly vulnerable to State-sanctioned transing, surrogacy, and euthanasia.

I dread to think what'll happen to me in 25 years when I'm nearing for 90.

I think what connects these two issues is as you imply - the state sanctioned over-stepping and manipulation of natural and moral boundaries - in the name of individual rights and freedom.

DrBlackbird · 23/04/2026 07:22

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 22/04/2026 17:21

Wasn't McBride the man who had access to 3 toilets in his place of work without using the women's? His own personal one ensuite to his office, the mens and 'gender neutral' ones.

Rather proving my previous point.

It's the unconsenting women that are seen as a resource for men rather than human beings in their own right. The religious women whose religion prohibits them participating in public life if there are no truly single sex bathrooms, the women who have trauma from male violence, the women who want the sign on the toilet to not be a pack of abusive lies, lots of women who will all be excluded if any man, whatever he wears or his inner feelings, is in there ever.

Apologies if I've got the wrong boundary violating trans identified male. There are so many it's difficult to keep up.

Edited

It’s okay for any male to access women’s toilets as long as you dress like a woman because obvs that’s all that it takes for the magical transformation.

5MinuteArgument · 23/04/2026 08:51

ParmaVioletTea · 22/04/2026 02:51

I went off listening to them, after Rory kicked off about the "hysteria" about women's treatment under the reinstated Taliban in Afghanistan, when actually, he insisted, they'd brought a return to law and order.

Yes, I was shouting in shock at that episode. Stuart dismissed fears for travellers in Afghanistan, sayng that it was a much safer country under the Taliban.

NOT A THOUGHT for 50% of the population who have been made into non-humans by those murderous old men, the Taliban.

I used to think he was quite a good thing. He was MP for an electorate near me and understands - so I thought - his non-metropolitan and rural fellow-citizens.

But no ...

Yes, these people are really out of touch. Rory Stewart predicted that Kamala Harris would win the US election by a landslide. They really don't have their finger on the pulse at all either in the US or here. It's because they don't listen to ordinary people.

AngryHerring · 23/04/2026 09:27

Invading women's restrooms was such a complusion for McBride in a 2018 Google seminar he admitted HRC killed a non-discrimination bill in Philadelphia that protected gay and trans people from employment discrimination just because it had an exemption for women's restrooms.

someone needs to constantly be reminding/informing the LGB about this. The T does not have their backs, they never have. Fuckers.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 23/04/2026 09:55

Wasn't it Rory who also went on about how much safer he felt travelling in Afghanistan now women are treated as less than human and entirely without human rights?

I think that was quite telling.

Ormally · 23/04/2026 10:00

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2026 14:45

Women with their inconveniently female bodies leaking and bleeding all over the place. Why can't you be more nice and noble like the fragrant Sarah McBride? Look how UNDERSTANDING he is of your bigotry! Learn from him, ladies, for he knows more deeply about womanhood and the fetishisation of it than thee.

...And "Someone's going to be uncomfortable with the toilet situation."
Sounds like a subtext of "We'll make sure it's not me or mine."

DworkinWasRight · 23/04/2026 10:04

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 23/04/2026 09:55

Wasn't it Rory who also went on about how much safer he felt travelling in Afghanistan now women are treated as less than human and entirely without human rights?

I think that was quite telling.

It was Tobias Ellwood. Stewart is well informed about Afghanistan, even if he doesn’t understand biology.

Wintersonata · 23/04/2026 10:11

@finsberry
Why did you automatically presume Grace went to a private school?

As pp have pointed out, her parents are activists against private and selective education.

Forecastsayssnowbutthereisnosnow · 23/04/2026 10:53

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/04/2026 10:26

DM is always excellent for a quote, not quite as cutting as "the YouTuber Owen Jones" from years back but still very good.😁

"For anyone not in the know, she is the daughter of the celebrated podcaster and lunatic Alastair Campbell."

"It is not possible to provide a transcript of the conversation because it would test my sanity to type it out."

Datun · 23/04/2026 11:54

Forecastsayssnowbutthereisnosnow · 23/04/2026 10:53

DM is always excellent for a quote, not quite as cutting as "the YouTuber Owen Jones" from years back but still very good.😁

"For anyone not in the know, she is the daughter of the celebrated podcaster and lunatic Alastair Campbell."

"It is not possible to provide a transcript of the conversation because it would test my sanity to type it out."

Quite deadly 😁

5MinuteArgument · 23/04/2026 12:50

Wintersonata · 23/04/2026 10:11

@finsberry
Why did you automatically presume Grace went to a private school?

As pp have pointed out, her parents are activists against private and selective education.

She went to a prestigious all-girl ex grammar school.

I think the assumption that she went to a private school comes from the sense of entitlement that she radiates, her privilege in getting a leg up into writing and comedy and her inane views.

SidewaysOtter · 23/04/2026 13:20

5MinuteArgument · 23/04/2026 08:51

Yes, these people are really out of touch. Rory Stewart predicted that Kamala Harris would win the US election by a landslide. They really don't have their finger on the pulse at all either in the US or here. It's because they don't listen to ordinary people.

The YouTube clip above of TRIP US on the last election night is worth a watch. Campbell shows exactly why left wing/progressive parties lose to the likes of Trump - he and his ilk simply do not understand or care what the voter on the Clapham omnibus thinks or wants, only that such voters are wrong if they don't align with their political betters. They then need to be lectured and educated, or written off as bigots (a political trend started by Gordon Brown).

Campbell's bristling at Dominic Sandbrook explaining why New Labour's chief spin doctor and political gobshite simply doesn't get it, is wholly enjoyable Grin

But on a more serious note, this tin-eared arrogance is exactly the sort of problem that ushers in extreme parties like the Greens in their current guise and Reform.

Mollyollydolly · 23/04/2026 13:50

I love Dominic Sandbrook - I said on Twitter the other day I wish JK Rowling would go on his Book Club podcast just to see Campbell burst a blood vessel and he replied to me that she'd be very welcome. 😁He'd even apologise for dissing Harry Potter years ago.