Singer Ethel Cain exposes genitals on Instagram

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According to a post I saw on X the picture was only censored at least 12 hours after being posted. Now if you haven’t heard of EC, I’ll give you 3 guesses as to whether they’re a woman or a man.

WTF?

I have really come to think that if a group of people can put some kind of ethical or spiritual spin on something they will try to justify it. So now the world should 'view' this man's dick so that they don't ignore his is a man who expects the world to use female language for him and treat him as female in other ways. ..

Slow fucking hand clap.

Well, I know there will be people who will find it convincing. I have friends who will find that a convincing reason that Cain must be a woman because they did this brave thing and no one would do this unless they really were a woman.

Having just left my corner shop to find a man pissing up one of my neighbour's walls, and was sworn at when I said 'that's disgusting' on my way past, I can safely say getting your knob out in inappropriate places is one of the most male thing you can do, and anyone who calls Cain she is completely mad.

I have some English born, half Spanish relations that were born in the late 70s -mid 80s. Their Spanish parent was all set on dressing the boys in dresses for their baby/ toddler hood until it was pointed out to them how odd that would be in UK.

HRTWT
and can’t see the pictures
but I think that actually, wearing a corset and lying on a floral bedspread IS leaning into femininity.
IMO both females and males can be feminine or masculine and can exaggerate those traits if they wish. It doesn’t change your sex.
and it sounds like this person is definitely not hiding their biological sex!

He’s absolutely not hiding his biological sex, but he is claiming to be a woman despite having a male body. Thats the point. Thats the TRA argument; they claim that biology isn’t what makes you male or female, it’s all down to your feelz. And it’s fucking nonsense.

Yes, by getting his cock out and still claiming to be a woman, not unlike the disgusting Jordan Grey, he is massively taking the piss. And showing the whole thing up for what it is. Male supremacy and control.

What makes laying on a floral bedsheet and wearing a corset feminine?

It's the most obvious thing about him!

I doubt a TEMU Lana Del Ray clone would have had so much success without it.

Exactly. It’s male domination. You’re forced to see his male genitals (before the post was censored) but you still have to call him a woman.

I'm not going to have a look to see if I'm right, but his behaviour sounds to me like leaning into porn, not femininity.

You win! 😂

Describe this picture and one describes a man showing his genitals. Attempts to suggest his hair, decor, or underwear ameliorate, excuse, or contextualise the full frontal nudity are desperate.

It's like talking about Trump's hair or the tour bus's chrome detailings when he was recorded saying 'grab em by the pussy'. Except worse, because (in that instance) Trump was describing sexual assault, whereas this man is actively enacting his fetish.

'And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.'

Cain's audience, I understand, is largely female and skews young. He will be aware of this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethelcain/comments/1niwci9/surprised_by_how_many_teens_were_in_the_audience/

So who is he broadcasting an unfiltered, uncensored penis to? He knows who will be looking.

@TeenLifeMum You do realise that for some of these men, it's a turn on for them getting women to call them 'she'? Have a look at AGP.

Yeah. I'm not going to do that.

A 28 year.old man with an audience that is majority teenage girls/young women.

yep!

An audience full of teenage girls who may have been taught by their schools and their peers and by adults that someone can change sex / that it is to be celebrated to reject your sex / that it is acceptable to demand that people treat you as if you are not the sex that you materially are.

Male.musicians being abusive, predatory pricks is nothing new.

I think the larger issue here is actually Instagram refusing to censor the image.

Agreeing to disagree seems reasonable here if we're at an impasse on suicide rates. Perhaps we're not though?

My view aligns with the information provided in this government review:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

The report recognises that there are multiple risk factors associated with children who experience gender dysphoria and urges caution in attributing a cause. Would you agree with this?

When it comes to children I know and children I don't know, I will take the same approach: I will use no pronouns at all. This is because I won't be a part of locking them into a social transition (even if their parents support it), because I recognise that this puts them at risk of locking onto a pathway that will lead to medical transition, but I also want to avoid causing the child further distress.

Unfortunately, for some children and parents, my pronoun avoidance won't be enough. My opinion is that any child who is given an expectation that others must always use their preferred pronouns (e.g. to show allyship) risks becoming even more upset if this doesn't happen, as they are likely to believe that anyone who doesn't actively affirm their identity wishes them harm.

In truth, it's highly unlikely likely that anyone avoiding pronouns (or using sex-based pronouns) wishes that child harm. It is far more likely that they recognise why it's important that the child understands that it's impossible to change sex, no matter how they identify.

This is the mess associated with telling children, and adults, that the only way to be respectful and kind is to use preferred pronouns.

I think the added larger issue is that some people don't recognise it as a form of predatory behaviour when this is put on social media the way it was.

100%. Yes.

I think one could argue that males in positions of power and influence have long used this to abuse trust and push boundaries - look at David Bowie, John Peel, Donald Trump, many, many footballers.

But a bald, naked dick pic would, I think, generally be pulled or at least censored by Insta?

I wish there were more ways to teach young women red flags, and how to spot them. But unfortunately predators and abusers know very well to exploit young women's (natural and expected) rejection of older women's knowledge and experience.

So, while this man wants people to use female language for him, we still have girls and young women encouraged to use the term 'front hole'!

Language is important.

I was told by one of the parents who was a medical practitioner herself and had done a huge amount of reading and discussing it with clinicians etc, that it is unhelpful for other adults to affirm the gender identity thinking it was kind and the best approach was avoiding using affirming language and to treat the name change as being a nickname. I was told the very same thing by another of the mothers. She told me just how hard it was to maintain a neutral approach when well meaning adults used affirming language and how ingrained it had now become in her daughter because of that language usage.

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My daughter didn't get as far as actively identifying as a boy (or non-binary) but every time someone asked her her pronouns, generally out of kindness, I could see that she moved a little closer to doing so. On one occasion when she was asked, when she was actively gender questioning, she said she wasn't sure but was leaning towards he/him.

She still gets mistaken for a boy now, because of her short hair, height and clothing choice. She still uses a nickname that sounds neutral, although she uses a different one (that sounds female) at home. I've lost count of the number of times that I still need to say to well-meaning adults that it's unhelpful conflating her lack of "gender conformity" with gender identity. That it's just a nickname etc. When I mention that autism can lead to discomfort with puberty, and that conflating this with gender identity adds confusion, this does tend to open up the conversation in a positive way. I've only been told by a couple of people (so far) that my views are awful.

When people do ask her her pronouns, she tends to say "I don't mind"... which almost always seems to lead to people saying "they". Again, I have found myself having to find an opportunity to say, without my daughter there (i.e. from a safeguarding perspective) that "they" suggests that she is neither a boy or a girl and that this too is also unhelpful. Thankfully, as she has got older, she is starting to feel clearer on what it means to be male and female.

But back to the thread topic....

It's also incredibly unhelpful that we're expected to refer to some males who show their genitals as women.

It's confusing for children like my daughter (e.g. autistic children or younger children who are trying to make sense of the world and their place within it) and it's an autogynophilic paradise for those that get a thrill from it.