Singer Ethel Cain exposes genitals on Instagram

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According to a post I saw on X the picture was only censored at least 12 hours after being posted. Now if you haven’t heard of EC, I’ll give you 3 guesses as to whether they’re a woman or a man.

According to a post I saw on X the picture was only censored at least 12 hours after being posted.

I only need one guess. Nay - half a guess. It's obvious. As women do not ever get our genitals out in public. These males are really really really desperate to get their cocks out at any opportunity. Males' gotta male.

Also worth noting, that unfortunately, not all parents are benevolent nor hold their child's longterm best interests at the fore.

Again, the NHS, schools, government, should have safeguarding and logic underpinning their actions.

She bought her son* a vagina.

Okay. I would struggle to maintain a friendship with someone I knew had mutilated or castrated their child, tbh.

Does that make you feel better? Because me referring to her dc as her daughter is what works for her and her adult child so I’ll continue to do that. While they likely feel like this due to autism and mental health issues, they are happy and living a life working and not hiding in their room. That’s got to be a better option.

Their “child” was a fully grown adult who made a choice funded by parents. It’s not been an easy road and nothing about the decision was flippant. Body dysphoria meant a hatred of their body and especially their penis. It was far more complex than feeling like being a woman.

I am not going to apologise for not pretending and joining in with an illusion that harms women and children. Particularly on a women's rights forum where the issues are discussed daily. This is in reality an adult man. Her son. No games.

Yes. Telling the truth makes me feel better.
Especially when playing along with the lie is so harmful to women and girls.

Accuracy is important.

The statement 'the parents bought their daughter a £10K vagina', if it was accurate language being used would indicate a vaginal reconstruction and that the daughter had either a condition that meant she needed significant work on her body or had significant trauma (maybe through child birth).

The statement 'the parents bought their son a £10K vagina' is accurate and there is little to misinterpret there because the language is clear.

Using demanded language is an individual choice. However, when it comes to discussion on a feminist board about issues that impact female people, push back against wrong sex and confusing language is to be expected.

I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar.

Magdalen Berns

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My view is that no one changes sex. Male and female are biological reality, not a feeling. I don't care what clothes people wear, I don't care what adults do to their bodies, for example I don't like tattoos. I wouldn't stop anyone having tattoos because it's their choice. If I was asked if I liked them I would probably be honest and say I wasn't keen on them. I don't feel obliged to address a person by their preferred pronouns as I am not being truthful. I am engaging in their reality and validating them, which is exactly what they want. I'm not doing that.

Accuracy is important.
The statement 'the parents bought their son a £10K vagina' is accurate and there is little to misinterpret there because the language is clear.

In the interests of accuracy the parents have not bought their son a £10K vagina. They bought him a surgical wound in the perineum requiring regular dilation lest it close up. It is a pastiche of a real vagina that is self-cleaning, self-lubricating & so much more than a hole in the perineum.

Yes, you are correct.

I was going to write that but by the time I got to that part I was rushing and forgot to write the accurate description.

I find it offensive that anyone and especially a surgeon thinks that a woman is just a man with extra holes( sorry for the crudity) and surgically enhanced man boobs .

He's basically skin walking Lana. I'd be so creeped out if I were her.

The jawline somewhat gives it away . No need to flash his meat and two veg 🙄

So open minded your brains have fallen out. There's nothing powerful about yet another man getting his dick out in public.

What about when it’s a trans man (which is something I’ve come across far more regularly with teenagers)?

Obviously no one should be encouraging their daughters to remove healthy breast tissue or have a facsimile of a penis created by skin grafts from their arm

as had been said by PP on this board, generally men are running towards (their imagined idea) of what it is to be a woman and young girls/women are running from the misogyny in society that makes them think being a girl/woman is awful and the only way to avoid it is to imitate (their imagined idea) of what it is to be a man.

There really is not anything powerful about a man getting his dick out. Yet, it is celebrated. Particularly like the one on UK TV that used his to play the piano while telling us all that he was a better woman.

It wasn’t very kind when Katie Dolatowski’s victims were told that their attacker was a woman.

It was fortunate, however, that the ten yr old victim managed to stop Katie by punching “her” in the balls.

Not if it's inaccurate or going to cause problems for them or others down the road.

I'm not sure why that's hard to grasp.

Do you always just do what people ask you to do without thinking through the consequences?

The problem is that these trans identities in reality are nothing to be with the reality of being the opposite sex. They are simply a projection in one person's mind of how they believe the opposite sex thinks or feels.

So when society "allows" them to be in some way accepted as the opposite sex, even if it's just "polite" pronouns, society is saying that person's sexist beliefs and projections about the way the opposite sex thinks or feels are a valid, legitimate perspective on that sex.

Do you see the problem here? It's not just about the trans person and what they may feel or need, it's also about what legitimising that view of the opposite sex says about everyone who actually is that sex.

How can women stand up and tell society it's wrong and sexist to assume women all feel certain ways or like certain things when we are also expected to nod along with the idea that a man's thoughts or feelings can make him a "she"?

Especially with female people. It is very important to not lie to them or about them.

I had my teen tell me in all seriousness that no one could tell their female friend of 15 years old was a female person. My husband and I listed all the ways that we could tell that the friend was female just on site and we did it without mentioning breasts or genitalia or anything.

The discussion I have had with most of my friends who had teens with trans identities (mostly young female people) is that these teens are identifying 'out' of being female not into being male. They have looked at how society is treating female people and they don't want to be part of it.

How the fuck does it help these young people to affirm their identities and the concept that humans can change sex or that gender identities should be treated as if they are material reality?

How does it help these young people to see adults calling Cain a woman and using female language for him?