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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender hate on mum's net

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Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 13:30

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

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TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2026 18:40

Dontgetitt · 08/04/2026 18:34

Worth looking at this OP and those reasonable posters on here

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/13335/html/#:~:text=There%20has%20been%20no%20evide,2019;%20Sullivan%2C%202018).

It won't convince the trans haters (cue I'm not a hater, I don't hate anyone bla bla). Is there a yawn emoji? Because I'd use it 1000 times over.

Some student activist type who doesn't understand sex based rights? Why should we be looking at this again?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:41

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:20

Yes but you put yourself in a male space with lots of men In but you don't seem to care about that im just saying. Also not every man is a predator and less transgender women are predators it's this mentality that's causing all the issues.

Citation please on “less transgender women are predators”

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/04/2026 18:42

Mumberjack · 08/04/2026 18:04

It’s not going to change my mind that actual risk felt by the majority of posters from men born as men and women born as women, far outweighs risk from very small proportion of the population, the majority of whom are very vulnerable.

So tell me how I call tell the difference between a completely ‘safe’ trans woman and a man who has malign intent when he comes into the Ladies, @Mumberjack?

The answer is that we cannot tell, just by looking, which male people are safe to be around and which are not - and this is why we have decided to exclude all male people (over the age of about 8), from spaces like Ladies loos, changing rooms etc.

Trans women are ALL male - human beings cannot change sex, and it doesn’t matter how many surgeries they have or hormones they take, nor how much they adopt uber-feminine styles of dress, hair, make up etc - they will always be male.

Trans women do not care how uncomfortable they make women - they thrive on it and enjoy it. Women deserve safety, privacy and dignity. Trans people could campaign for gender neutral provision - just as women had to campaign for decades to get public toilets ([the urinary leash - women couldn’t go far from their homes or the homes of friends because of the lack of public loos for them, which restricted their lives in a way men’s lives were not restricted) - but they don’t want to do that. They want to take what women fought so hard for.

Some trans women say “Oh, but no-one has ever said anything to me when I’ve used the Ladies” - they either don’t know or don’t care that most women will be too scared to confront a male person in the Ladies - for fear of direct violence or the threat of being outed as GC on social media, doxxing, threats of rape etc.

oviraptor21 · 08/04/2026 18:42

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:13

How many women can honestly say they have used the men's toilets when there's been a qué for the ladies and had an issue of a sexual nature i'm guessing no one. just saying it's ok for us to use the men's when it suits and I've done this myself but not the other way round.

I have never used the mens toilets. I would feel very uncomfortable and often unsafe too.

CassOle · 08/04/2026 18:43

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2026 18:40

A paper written by a LGBTQ+ rights activist, well that’s not going to be biased at all. Where’s your next source from? Pink News? The Guardian?! Lucky there is a laugh emoji! 🤣

The author includes two articles from Pink News and a Medium article by Montgomerie in the appendix.

GriseldaandMike · 08/04/2026 18:44

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:20

Yes but you put yourself in a male space with lots of men In but you don't seem to care about that im just saying. Also not every man is a predator and less transgender women are predators it's this mentality that's causing all the issues.

Ah a few hours ago according to you, trans women had no sex drive, now you have shifted to fewer trans women will be sexual predators, as a total of the number of offenders obviously because they are a small percentage of the population, as an individual risk, the moj figures say not.

DeanElderberry · 08/04/2026 18:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:41

Citation please on “less transgender women are predators”

I thought the prison statistics suggested otherwise?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2026 18:44

CassOle · 08/04/2026 18:43

The author includes two articles from Pink News and a Medium article by Montgomerie in the appendix.

What a shocker.

onepostwonder · 08/04/2026 18:46

KaleidoscopeSmile · 08/04/2026 14:53

So a completely difference circumstance and context than the one I was responding to then?

I was also raped when I was younger but it wasn't because I used the men's toilets

When I was young I was drugged in a bar and raped by two men who left me in an empty apartment they had broken in to before they went to the bar. Understanding the amount of premeditation involved in my and others' rapes, I have no difficulty in believing men will rape a woman in seconds if they have the opportunity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:48

DeanElderberry · 08/04/2026 18:44

I thought the prison statistics suggested otherwise?

They do, with the very limited evidence that we have.

Theonebutnotonly · 08/04/2026 18:48

MajorProcrastination · 08/04/2026 17:06

Again, why have you made up this Sally person? And no, I absolutely don't want to play mental gymnastics with you on this.

Ever heard of the word "hypothetical"?

If you can’t cope with @MassiveWordSalad 's perfectly reasonable and logical point, how about making it completely impersonal: how do you think a woman - any woman - would feel if the man by whom she had been sexually assaulted turned up in the women's changing room with her, saying he was allowed to be there because he was now a woman?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:49

oviraptor21 · 08/04/2026 18:42

I have never used the mens toilets. I would feel very uncomfortable and often unsafe too.

Same.

Leafstamp · 08/04/2026 18:52

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 17:52

This is part of my point. There has been no issues untill FWS decided to make something out of nothing, now everyone has an issue with trans women using ladies toilets most of whom will never ever meet a transgender woman in a female space.

How are you defining it arriving at your opinion that there have been “been no issues”.

I can assure you that men (however they identity, and therefore that would include what you call “trans women”) using women’s toilets absolutely is an issue. By definition they are transgressing a boundary, that alone is a red flag.

Just because women don’t complaint each and every time, it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue for them. Many are too scared to confront as some of these men are aggressive, and, obviously, stronger than women.

Helleofabore · 08/04/2026 18:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:41

Citation please on “less transgender women are predators”

I know.

That seems like an empty platitude considering the Uk prisoner data.

Pingponghavoc · 08/04/2026 18:53

The idea that every woman was happy with men in their spaces, or didn't notice until MN started talking about it, and suddenly it became an issue is bonkers.

"TW" want everyone to believe that they pass, so we dont know they are there or that we can see their inner woman and accept them as us. But that isn't true.

I'm old, and these men didn't use the spaces as much they think they are entitled to now, and everytime they did, we saw them as men who were dangerous because they were happy to push boundaries.

It's not us talking about it that has caused the problem, its the men invading women's spaces.

Every excuse is used, and none of them stand up to any scrutiny. They are simply men who want to use women's spaces. It doesn't matter if they have had surgery, have a certificate, done it before, there's not many of them, they are young, old, gay or straight. They are men who want to be in women's spaces and its their behaviour that's wrong, not a women talking on a forum.

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:55

Taztoy · 08/04/2026 18:21

I’ve never used the men’s. And I certainly never would.

I have 🤣

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TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2026 18:55

onepostwonder · 08/04/2026 18:46

When I was young I was drugged in a bar and raped by two men who left me in an empty apartment they had broken in to before they went to the bar. Understanding the amount of premeditation involved in my and others' rapes, I have no difficulty in believing men will rape a woman in seconds if they have the opportunity.

A woman going into the men's toilets knows the risk she's taking.

A woman going into the woman's toilets is doing so on the understanding that only women are there.

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2026 18:56

I'd use the men's if I was desperate. But I'd know I was taking a chance and I'd ask the men in their if they didn't mind

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 18:56

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:55

I have 🤣

Could you explain how you were safe in there but a transwoman wouldn’t be? (Does not expect an answer)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 18:56

Theonebutnotonly · 08/04/2026 18:48

Ever heard of the word "hypothetical"?

If you can’t cope with @MassiveWordSalad 's perfectly reasonable and logical point, how about making it completely impersonal: how do you think a woman - any woman - would feel if the man by whom she had been sexually assaulted turned up in the women's changing room with her, saying he was allowed to be there because he was now a woman?

or her women’s refuge, for example.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6894599/When-man-called-Mark-locked-threatening-kill-mother-child.html

When he was a man he was locked up

Mark Addis, 44, was deemed such a threat to his former partner that he spent six months on remand in a male prison in 2014 after sending threats that he would kill her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6894599/When-man-called-Mark-locked-threatening-kill-mother-child.html

Thebigarsedbitch · 08/04/2026 18:57

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:17

The term cis, I think you will now find it's now part of the English language and in the Oxford dictionary

Which doesn't negate the fact that it was a term invented by trans activists and one which I find hateful and pejorative.

Taztoy · 08/04/2026 18:59

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:55

I have 🤣

What’s funny?

I have disclosed, on this thread, a violent rape and SA.

What is funny about me being traumatised by that and seeking to mitigate risk as much as I can?

Helleofabore · 08/04/2026 18:59

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 18:55

I have 🤣

It is irrelevant that you chose to. Absolutely irrelevant.

Kirschcherries · 08/04/2026 19:00

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 17:52

This is part of my point. There has been no issues untill FWS decided to make something out of nothing, now everyone has an issue with trans women using ladies toilets most of whom will never ever meet a transgender woman in a female space.

Are you seriously suggesting there has been no issues prior to April 2025 and the SC judgement?

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