Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Look up Katie Dolatowski
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/tag/katie-dolatowski/

Have you not seen the stats on trans identifying males in prison for sexual offences?

So transwomen, even if mistaken for biological women, would be perfectly safe in the gents. Glad you agree. And also agree that transwomen are indeed men.

My understanding is that males who identify as 'women' have a much much high rate of sexual offending than males who dont. The are literally the worst group of males you should be inviting into female spaces.

Qué?

I used the gents once as a teenager with my older, female cousin. She insisted she should as the ladies were out of order. I hated it. I didn't feel safe and they were filthy. Never again.

The one in Manchester? Someone who harassed me, a common or garden AGP, uses that place. It doesn’t help, he still looks like exactly what he has always been

Please post the evidence that proportionally "less transgender women are predators" than the general population of UK male people.

I think you are making emotionally reasoned statements that are not accurate.

we all have agency to put ourselves into dangerous places if we choose. Is it a good idea for women to go into a men’s bathroom with lots of men in it. No but it’s a choice.

Allowing men into women’s bathrooms, however thy identify, puts women at greater risk and they have zero say in it

I should have quoted you, @Soontobe60

Don’t mention the war. He's from Barcelona.

Yes but you put yourself in a male space with lots of men In but you don't seem to care about that im just saying. Also not every man is a predator and less transgender women are predators it's this mentality that's causing all the issues.

Firstly - and less transgender women are predators - the data does not back this up. As has been quoted earlier in the thread, when compared to the non-transgender population, a much larger percentage of transgender prisoners are there for sexual crimes.

Generally, by this logic (which appears to be 'there are not that many predatory men so you are unlikely to come across one') all men should be allowed into women's spaces as the overall risk is not that high.

The unisex loos I have had to share with men on a regular basis are those in intercity trains. They are frequently filthy. I used to think that that was just because men, even on a swaying train, are too macho to sit down to pee. I now suspect that more than a few of them actively enjoy scent marking their territory.

Even without the violent and the mad and the voyeurs and the exhibitionists and the filmers and the audio recorders and the wankers, I don't want any men in the women's loos.

Men in dresses…. Isn’t that the very definition of transgender? Its all an ideology. It doesn’t matter how much effort one puts in. It’s someone trying to be something different to their sex assigned at birth.

This question from OP feels like a time loop. Are we really back to “they just want to pee”?

I thought it had moved on to, “we just want to be in female prisons, female rape counselling groups (and lead those), and participate in the Olympics female category”

It’s a hamster.

Except that trans men already had maternity rights and protection before the FWS decision. "Pregnant men" and "chest feeding" were the focus of much derision amongst sex realists.

I have told the tale of my Mum finding a trans woman in the ladies, having a trauma response thanks to having been physically (not sexually) abused in the bathroom as a teenager leaving the public toilet, holding in her wee and so having a UTI on this site many many times under a variety of user names all of which were before the FWS judgement so there was a problem before the judgement.

Just as we have proved that JKR didn't call Khalif a trans woman, that we did know Khalif had failed a sex test before the Olympics, that we have proved that only circa 10 per cent of TWs have had their penis removed and that cross sex hormones don't render males harmless, sexless fluffy ikle bunnykins.

Women's spaces are for women. Just women, if some men chose to reject male spaces they need to work out alternative provision for themselves not steal female only spaces.

reminds me of an office I worked at recently which were all unisex single bathrooms. The women had to launch a collective complaint at how disgusting the men were leaving them. We were getting fed up of soiled toilet bowls and pee all over the seats. Occasionally we’d walk in to the corridor where they all opened into and could see the men peeing as they hadn’t bothered to shut the door properly. No nefarious reason but just don’t think about the fact they were unisex and were just used to peeing in urinals and not giving it a second thought.

Also, this focus on 'predators' is actually also widely missing the point as to why female single sex provisions exist.

On that list of harms that potentially occur when male people access a female single sex provision, is any kind of abuse or even the fear that makes a female person self exclude knowing that a male person might be present in that provision.

One of those harms is any type of physical assault.

This is from the latest IOC policy.

Magnitude of Advantage: At the elite level, the magnitude of the Male performance advantage is different depending on the sport or event:

There is a 10-12 per cent Male performance advantage in most running and swimming events.

There is a 20+ per cent Male performance advantage in most throwing and jumping events.

The Male performance advantage can be greater than 100 per cent in events that involve explosive power, e.g. in collision, lifting and punching sports.

Here is the statement:

https://www.olympics.com/ioc/news/international-olympic-committee-announces-new-policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-women-s-category-in-olympic-sport

here is the policy

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/International-Olympic-Committee/EB/policy/policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-category-english.pdf

I can link you up to the reviews that the IOC drew on to make this statement. By the way, I can also link up the now many reviews for boys having greater power than girls from the age of 7 years old too.

It is not just sexual assault as you seem to focus on. It is also any violent act at all while they are in the female single sex space.

Of course, it is also not just violence, the risk of harm includes many other aspects too.

No they didn't. These rights were not guaranteed if legally these people were deemed 'male'

They didn’t change the law. The Supreme Court confirmed the meaning of sex in the Equality Act.

Worth looking at this OP and those reasonable posters on here

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/13335/html/#:~:text=There%20has%20been%20no%20evide,2019;%20Sullivan%2C%202018).

It won't convince the trans haters (cue I'm not a hater, I don't hate anyone bla bla). Is there a yawn emoji? Because I'd use it 1000 times over.

They always do.

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A paper written by a LGBTQ+ rights activist, well that’s not going to be biased at all. Where’s your next source from? Pink News? The Guardian?! Lucky there is a laugh emoji! 🤣