Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

They do care that women are uncomfortable. That is the point.

Multiple people have pointed out that it was a problem in the first place, which is why we have single gender toilets now, and for good reason.

But please continue to put your fingers in your ears and LALALALALA

You have no idea how many women had issues with men using their toilets. How could you?

Sorry lost the quote on the last page

*Clarify the law.

Well, exactly

See that ladies? Nobody ever had an issue, until those uppity women managed to change the law!!

They didn't get the law changed. They got the Supreme Court to clarify what the law had always been.

'several' there you go social contagion. Real trans is a serious illness, body dysphoria and the fact your child is friends with several is highly unlikely. These weird and dangerous ideas have been put in to our children's heads and accepted as a social norm! Hopefully your children's friends will grow out of it before any real damage is done. The fact is these kids, most of who are autistic, copy each other, it's a trend rather than them actually having the condition. I wonder what kind of parent encourages this. It's absolutely wrong and disturbing to any parent with a braincell.

I know - In that comment I was (sarcastically) referring to genuine trans women who would not assault women - yet are still so self-entitled they would sooner make women uncomfortable and fear for their safety than they would use the correct bathroom.

Yes ladies, why won't you all go back to shutting TFU and letting the men do what they want? C'mon now, do t be awkward

Unfortunately we can’t and that is a massive problem I agree

Of course there were problems. Are you saying that as long as no one complained then no one was bothered? There is absolutely no way I would ever confront a man in a female space, however they present. I would just leave as fast as I could.

This. Until people grasp this, we won’t get anywhere.

My mistake!

Those uppity women, and all the uppity women who supported them, got the law clarified in the highest court in the land.

🙆

They got me hoodwinked good and proper, I quite happily shared with lovely transwomen daily until their hateful ways caught me.

The FWS case wasn't about toilets it was about all women shortlists.

Happily the SC judgment confirmed that sex in the EA means biological sex and that applies to all areas of the EA including toilets

Did you mean to write “there have been no issues until trans rights activists started to demand the erosion of women’s boundaries and politicians tried to expand the GRA and hoped no one would notice”?

Also what’s a transgender woman?

They didn’t change the law - they simply clarified what the law was before Stonewall demanded that men must be allowed to destroy female spaces on their say so.

Noooooo, you mustn't leave as fast as you can, that's hateful bigot behaviour.

Right.

So let's not make women collateral damage here by allowing any man who feels like it into their spaces.

I have no issue with anyone’s personal life choices, including those who identify as transgender. My concern lies with how some people, especially children, are being influenced, how they may fall victim to certain ideologies, the motives driving these movements, and the role of social media in shaping identity and offering a false sense of belonging, where treatment for personality disorders or possible delusional misidentification syndromes should have instead been executed.

I believe those who have struggled with their identity or fallen victim to this deserve compassion, care, and appropriate therapy.

The real problem, in my view, isn’t with the children or individuals caught up in this, it’s with those who exploit the movement for predatory purposes, using it as a cover to invade women’s privacy and compromise their safety.

Public toilets should just be labelled as “P” and “V”. For transgender women who feel unsafe in male spaces as they don’t identify as male, access to single-use or disability toilets would offer a safe and respectful alternative for everyone. If they see an issue with that then there’s clearly a lot more to their reasons for wanting to be close to women.

Indeed. My mistake.

But, it did effectively "change" the law for a lot institutions, from Stonewall law to actual law.

Just a reminder of how female toilet spaces are used. Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

Don’t forget there is the safety aspect where people may rely on the gaps under doors and walls for their safety. We already had someone mention helping a woman who was on the floor that they could see because of the gap. We have had others on other threads point out that they feel safer with gaps after being attacked in mixed sex toilets that are fully enclosed and no one could see them.

From my personal experience here is a list.

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

Even with mixed sex cubicles with basins, they don’t usually have the space needed for prams. And if a woman is trying to dry themselves using a drier in the cubicle, it restricts traffic flow. Even if it is just internal pressure that she feels, there will be pressure on her to leave the cubicle quickly. In an open space she will less inclined to feel that pressure.

If you as a female person have not experienced these issues, that doesn't mean it is not happening. I am glad that you have never needed to do this things, it is uncomfortable and can be quite humiliating. But at least, in a female only toilet, it is a little better.

I think when people think of toilet usage, maybe they have never had to use the toilets in any other way other than behind a closed door. That is a privilege in that respect.

But the needs are still there and they are real for many female people to be able to engage in public life.

To allow any male person toileting spaces (over the age of about 8 years old) removes some of the usability of this space for female people. There is a reason for female single sex toilets and the communal female single sex space in those provisions.

It’s not going to change my mind that actual risk felt by the majority of posters from men born as men and women born as women, far outweighs risk from very small proportion of the population, the majority of whom are very vulnerable.

This site is predominantly women and so that’s why men transitioning to women have more of an effect on us and it’s discussed on this site more.

There are many men who speak about women transitioning to men but it doesn’t impact their safety in the same way as the other way around.

Well therein lies a huge problem because most men who identify as women don’t actually have any surgery. As gender is just a fancy name for sex stereotypes, how can surgery ‘reassign’ it? All it means for men is having silicone implants in their chest or having their penis inverted to create a cavity in their perineum.