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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender hate on mum's net

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Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 13:30

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

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Helleofabore · 08/04/2026 17:37

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:17

The term cis, I think you will now find it's now part of the English language and in the Oxford dictionary

The term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

Using this word, cis, then means there is no word left for female people.
Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes. This has also recently been the basis of the new IOC policy too,

(from the IOC policy:

This is under the definitions section:
Sex: Either of the two categories, Male or Female, into which humans are divided according to their reproductive biology.
Biological Female (Female): An individual who, regardless of their legal sex or gender identity, experienced female sex development usually based on their XX-chromosomes, ovaries, and estrogenic hormones.
https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/International-Olympic-Committee/EB/policy/policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-category-english.pdf )

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:
Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^
Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

Transgender hate on mum's net
Taztoy · 08/04/2026 17:38

worldshottestmom · 08/04/2026 17:27

You and the Sally-obsessive have jumped straight to toilets, straight to rape. It is weird.

How is it weird? Women have been being raped by men since humans came into existence. It is rife around the world to this day and is a serious issue. You as a woman are well aware of that. Women have to be hypervigilant about SA because it is so prevalent in the world.

A man comes into the women's bathroom, do you just stand there and think "ah, thats perfectly normal, he doesnt pose a single threat to me!"

Or is it only not a threat if hes wearing womens clothes and makeup?

This.

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 17:38

Mumberjack · 08/04/2026 16:56

I also think that the sheer number of threads and posts on here re trans issues demonstrates that it feels like a ‘safe’ problem to get exercised about.

Far easier to focus on a tiny proportion of the population and the utter fear that something may happen (fwiw you might have been in the ladies toilets with hundreds of trans women over the years; how would you know?) than focus on the fact cis males in the vast majority of cases don’t need any kind of excuse or subterfuge to do what they like or intrude on safe spaces.

the views on here relating to putting up with all manner of bullshit from cis men attest to that.

Are the tiny proportion of people related to the hundreds of transwomen using public toilets?

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2026 17:38

MajorProcrastination · 08/04/2026 17:21

There are also plenty of trans men and trans women who just go about living their lives, working their jobs, spending time with friends. You and the Sally-obsessive have jumped straight to toilets, straight to rape. It is weird.

I knew this would happen after reading the OP's post.

Do you mean I should do a load of mental gymnastics and pretend that the person who assaulted me who is a man who lives as a man is actually a pretend trans person but that you and the Sally-obsessive can't also engage in considering other perspectives?

Your reply isn't the "aha I've got one" that you think it is.

They can go on quietly living their lives without using women's spaces. HTH.

thatsthewayitis · 08/04/2026 17:40

I'm a gold star lesbian and met plenty of transvestite men in my lesbian social group from 2015, both straight (m/f) and gay (m/m) and I loathed these entitled selfish b*stards for ignoring our boundaries and having me thrown out for this joke which is normal in a lesbian environment; " Who would want to be a man."
They act like men, behave like men, because they are men.

tichbrew · 08/04/2026 17:41

Women saying not to men is not hate, although many men seem to believe that it is, its more surprising to me that many women seem to agree with them.

DeanElderberry · 08/04/2026 17:44

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:17

The term cis, I think you will now find it's now part of the English language and in the Oxford dictionary

Just don't use 'cis', it has a bad pedigree.

https://grokipedia.com/page/Volkmar_Sigusch

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worldshottestmom · 08/04/2026 17:44

FelliniFilms · 08/04/2026 16:22

If the cubicles are a safe space, then why can't transwomen use the cubicles in the men's? They'll be perfectly fine, right?

I think its because trans men to women think that if they go in a men's bathroom wearing women's clothes, they will make the men uncomfortable and the men will be mean to them. Therefore, the only logical solution is for them to invade womens bathrooms instead, because it doesnt matter what women think or if they are made to uncomfortable, as women never matter and are always bottom of the pile with any issue.

Oh and if any women have a problem with a man being in their bathroom, theyre hateful bigot transphobes and deserve what they get 🙄

Helleofabore · 08/04/2026 17:44

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 15:46

You see this is precisely the problem as a man on oestrogen and T blockers can't be a sexual predator as they have no sex drive, this is the sort of misinformation that's causing the trouble.

This is misinformation that you are now spreading.

Being a sex predator does not require a healthy sex drive. A male person who cannot get an erection in his penis can sexually abuse people in many other ways.

Narrowing sexual abuse down to penetration or having a 'sex drive' is incredibly harmful misinformation.

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 17:45

tichbrew · 08/04/2026 17:41

Women saying not to men is not hate, although many men seem to believe that it is, its more surprising to me that many women seem to agree with them.

Yep, it's the allies that are as much of a problem for enabling them.

It's delusional to think you can present as something you clearly are not and expect everyone to agree with you.

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 17:47

Helleofabore · 08/04/2026 17:44

This is misinformation that you are now spreading.

Being a sex predator does not require a healthy sex drive. A male person who cannot get an erection in his penis can sexually abuse people in many other ways.

Narrowing sexual abuse down to penetration or having a 'sex drive' is incredibly harmful misinformation.

It's crazy isn't it. Does the op seriously think that predators need to feel turned on, have they no clue that's it's about power and violence not their 'sex drive' Confused.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 17:47

Forresty · 08/04/2026 17:46

Of course.

worldshottestmom · 08/04/2026 17:47

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:17

The term cis, I think you will now find it's now part of the English language and in the Oxford dictionary

So is the word "amazeballs". Random made up words get added all the time!

TheDogsMother · 08/04/2026 17:48

I have nothing against transgender women at all but do not wish to share a women’s only space with them. I also do not agree with male bodied transgender women competing in women’s sports. Or transgender women applying for jobs with women only shortlists.

GrueyTwoey · 08/04/2026 17:50

If a man comes into a female changing room and takes off his trousers and boxers we're allowed to be horrified/frightened, report it to the police, scream at him to get out.
If that exact same man comes into the female changing room and takes off his skirt and knickers, we're hateful bigots for daring to say or do anything other than pretend we don't notice, or fawn over him.
We can't even hurriedly leave without being called hateful.
Make it make sense.

Forresty · 08/04/2026 17:51

TheDogsMother · 08/04/2026 17:48

I have nothing against transgender women at all but do not wish to share a women’s only space with them. I also do not agree with male bodied transgender women competing in women’s sports. Or transgender women applying for jobs with women only shortlists.

That means that to them, you are a transphobe.

Welcome!

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 17:52

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 16:02

Nope, and trans women have been using womens bathrooms for ages and it hasn’t been a problem, has it

This is part of my point. There has been no issues untill FWS decided to make something out of nothing, now everyone has an issue with trans women using ladies toilets most of whom will never ever meet a transgender woman in a female space.

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Kiminki · 08/04/2026 17:53

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 17:38

Are the tiny proportion of people related to the hundreds of transwomen using public toilets?

Not hundreds. It was each of us sharing a space with hundreds, so this tiny proportion of people must number in the hundreds of thousands if not millions...

MyAmpleSheep · 08/04/2026 17:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 17:47

Of course.

The more people who come to this thread, the better. If A wants to drive more people here, that's a good thing. Only one side of this discussion makes any kind of sense. That's why it's worth repeating the same boring logical sensible points, time and time again. Tell 'em, tell 'em what you told 'em, then tell 'em again.

#letthemspeak
#letusspeak

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 17:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 17:31

Many of these supposed “delicate flower” men are misogynistic, narcissistic bully boys, and the women who deliberately enable them (as opposed to the hopelessly misguided #bekind crew) are nearly as bad. Mumsnet is a space where that shit doesn’t fly, as a majority female site with an established feminist board.

Which is why the men regularly turn up on here to harangue us. They’re not interested in the (many) simpering, grovelling women’s spaces. They want to invade the ones where they aren’t welcome.

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2026 17:54

You have no idea how many women had issues with men using their toilets. How could you?

anyolddinosaur · 08/04/2026 17:54

The "hate" on mumsnet is transgender activists who want to batter women into submission.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 17:55

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 17:52

This is part of my point. There has been no issues untill FWS decided to make something out of nothing, now everyone has an issue with trans women using ladies toilets most of whom will never ever meet a transgender woman in a female space.

Hahaha yes FWS completely invented the idea that women objected to men in their spaces, right.

Forresty · 08/04/2026 17:55

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 17:52

This is part of my point. There has been no issues untill FWS decided to make something out of nothing, now everyone has an issue with trans women using ladies toilets most of whom will never ever meet a transgender woman in a female space.

See that ladies? Nobody ever had an issue, until those uppity women managed to change the law!!

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