Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Same. Although I'm closer to very hairy than pretty hairy. I'm fact I have to remove facial hair more frequently than either of my sons, or my brother for that matter. I look a lot like my dad.

And yet, I've never been mistaken for a man.

The communist party is gender critical. The Morning Star is one of the few gender critical newspapers.

Precisely. I think a lot of people do not realise this.

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I have met several trans people. I work in an industry where it is more prevalent and have worked happily and great relations with them. Didn’t affect the quality their work, no one was treated differently in the office. I have very empathy with the predicament . Must have been tough to feel different.

but at no point did I ever perceive them as anything other than their biological sex on an instinctual level. Apart from visually there are mannerisms each sex has that give away whether they are man or women.

so despite my empathy for them, when it comes to single sex spaces they belong in the space that belongs to their biological sex

I have noticed, though, that pro-trans ideology has been an excellent excuse for left-wing men to be as misogynistic as they like while patting themselves on the back for being truly lovely, kind and right-on.

Absolutely. It really excites some of them, in a way that they wouldn’t be able to indulge any other way as they are supposedly “feminist”.

Does this just happen with sex or other things?
Is it possible I'm a beautiful 6ft tall black man, but got shoved in the body of a short, average looking, white woman?
If not, why not?

Seriously these threads with the faux "I just don't understand all the hatred of transwomen, transwomen are women it's cis men who are the baddies." Whilst the OP polices who can and who can't be trans depending on their levels of passing and surgery are so bloody annoying.

How in 2026 can trans allies come on here so clueless?

I'm beginning to think someone wrote a wodge of them in 2016 and just set them to auto post, along with a number of follow up posts, every few months.

I don't care how people chose to live, but I do feel that women and girls are increasingly being pushed aside in their own spaces and opportunities so that the feelings and identity of some biological males come first.

Not sure about not in any other way. There is also porn

Is the hate in the room with us?

I also think that the sheer number of threads and posts on here re trans issues demonstrates that it feels like a ‘safe’ problem to get exercised about.

Far easier to focus on a tiny proportion of the population and the utter fear that something may happen (fwiw you might have been in the ladies toilets with hundreds of trans women over the years; how would you know?) than focus on the fact cis males in the vast majority of cases don’t need any kind of excuse or subterfuge to do what they like or intrude on safe spaces.

the views on here relating to putting up with all manner of bullshit from cis men attest to that.

Exactly. I could truly believe that I’m Christy Turlington but like that PP, I’d be wrong.

This is quite well known and there is a point where you should look into a statement yourself, rather than offer an inappropriate, insensitive response

Mumberjack Remember many people here have never met nor spoken to anyone who’s trans, never mind tried to understand the perspective of someone who at their core have felt born into the wrong gender and have struggled throughout their life.
its a way of safely being right wing without admitting so.

Why is it 'right wing' to know the scientific and easily established fact that babies are either boys or girls [differences of sexual development are either ones that boys have, or ones that girls get, so there's no 'intersex'] and that you can't change that basic biological fact about yourself?

What's right wing about saying that gender is just a whole load of ideas and expectations that are pushed onto babies depending on whether they are boys or girls? You can't be 'born into' a gender, and if you don't like the gender stereotype that's pushed onto you because of your sex, don't conform to it, be a non-gender-conforming kind of person.

I've 'struggled with gender all my life' but I've done it by fighting against stereotypes, not the body I was born into.
Does that make me right wing, in your opinion?

Its retro week on here, been a while since we've had the born into the wrong body trope (PS your brain is part of your body)

Males aren’t a ‘tiny proportion’ of the population. There are males and females. That’s it. Males with special feelings doesn’t turn them into a different entity altogether.

You are missing the point entirely!

99.9 percent of people can correctly identify a man and woman even if the man is in a dress or has long hair……... That’s the point!

<<Runs off to bang head on the floor.>>

It’s the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Since time began we have been able to tell a man from a woman EVEN if the woman is tall or a man is short or the woman has hair on her face and a man is clean shaven.

When I see a man in a dress I know because he has the genetic markers for a man. For example, adam’s apple, different walk due to hip structure, hands being larger, shorter more bowed legs, pronounced brow, different jaw. EVEN if a woman has a square jaw we still know she’s a woman instantly because of all the markers.

Such a tiny proportion of the population that have been destroying females spaces in such numbers with such scale of deceit that we have all been exposed to hundreds of them unknowingly?

So you are OK with trans women in female toilets, but how about changing rooms? Or gym/swimming pool showers? Or sports? Or awards? Or women only short lists? Or prisons? Or rape counseling?

Either we are allowed to say nope sorry you aren't women at some point or we have to let trans women into everywhere.

I don't think it's hate. I think mumsnet is one of the only places where people feel able to freely voice their genuine opinion about transgender women. And that's frightening actually.
If a biological man wants to live as a woman, I couldnt care less . I'll call them by whatever name they want and won't be disrespectful of their choice at all. But toilets/ changing rooms and sport- just no.

As pp said, the reason you know that they were “cis men” and not trans identified males or females is because we can tell in the vast majority of cases.

I think it’s your head that’s going weird places because you don’t want to answer the question. Let’s say Sally is not your attacker (again, I’m sorry) but some other guy who did the same thing to a woman who is not you. How do you feel about sharing single-sex spaces with Sally the newly-minted still-bepenised transwoman?

Of course the point by making the hypothetical man your previous attacker was to bring it home to you that a man you personally know to be a sex-offender could claim to be a woman, but you don’t wish to engage with that idea. I would be horrified if the guy who assaulted me turned up in the changing rooms at the swimming pool and there was nothing I could do about it because he thinks he’s a lady.

Good point, but this is more thrilling because they can do it in public and everyone claps.

Again, why have you made up this Sally person? And no, I absolutely don't want to play mental gymnastics with you on this.