Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Yes, they are quite safe in the men's, they just want to be in the women's for validation not for safety. To force the women into compliance.

And even if they were not safe, the solution would not be to allow them into the ladies', would it? That would be just pushing the problem from one group to another.

I think a persons misogyny would have to be off the scale and thoroughly ingrained to not be able to fathom the problem with the nonsense ‘twaw’. The amount of hatred you must have towards women to reduce them to a costume.

For me there’s a difference between someone who wants to live as a woman, has gone through surgery, tries to pass as reasonable as they can and someone who slaps a wig on and calls it a day. I am aware I have no authority to decide who looks “womanly” enough or that presenting hyper-feminine makes you more of a woman (they’re all bio males at the end of the day) but I do think there’s multiple levels to this issue.

I might be completely wrong and off base, but I do think the internet and self ID have made it too easy for creeps to access single sex spaces and now it’s causing problems for everyone, trans women included.

All over the bloody seat, probably.

Have you heard of Karen White??
Google them and prepared to be shocked and absolutely disgusted at a transwoman raping women and he isn’t the only one! I’m not sure if White was on oestrogen as we don’t have access to these people’s medical records, therefore they ALL need to stay out of women’s spaces. It’s basic safeguarding.

What do you mean by ‘live as a woman’?

I’ve washed bloody hands and rinsed clothes due to flooding incidents. No woman wants to do that in the presence of a man.

There are trans-identifying males on social media who have talked about being euphoric or getting off on being in a cubicle next to a woman and listening to her pee or use sanitary protection. These are things they have boasted about, including masturbating and taking selfies or videos. When you let in the nice trans lady who just wants to pee, you have to open the doors to these guys too.

So is the N word

Funny how women and girls in places like Iran or Iraq can’t just opt out of being female when abused, raped and oppressed by males. Or how in China they had to ban sex scans in utero because of the amount of female foetuses aborted.

Almost as if we know it to be truthful but we are living in a privileged fantasy world over in the west.

But, there is no real difference. They're all just meant at the end of the day, and even if there was a difference, how would we police that? The simplest and safest solution is to say no men, however they identify in women's single-sex spaces.

I am with you 100% OP, Transphobia boils my blood.
I truly believe that people can be born into the wrong body and what that person identifies in their brain is what gender they are meant to be!

There's also videos of them stealing women's used tampons and doing all kinds of disgusting things with them.

There is no hate as far as I am concerned, each to their own, however they are biologically not women. Women have fought long and hard for the rights we have now, why should we give them up because a biological man thinks they are a woman and therefore should be included in everything women?

Transgender women cannot feel as women do, they do not have periods, do not go through the menopause cannot give birth, cannot breastfeed etc etc. therefore it is impossible for them to actually fully be women. In the same way transgender men cannot be fully a man, even with both trans women and men undergoing surgery

However if they feel they are a women then that’s up to them, but they should not expect to use women’s safe places including toilets.

So presumably you feel OP is transphobic in their policing of who is actually trans?

Yes, they can feel that way. But they don't get to be in all women's spaces.

What is the mechanism by which someone can be born in the wrong body? Do you believe everyone has a soul and that soul is gendered, or does it happen another way?

Don't you think that doing away with urinals would be sexist against men?
The floor-mounted WC is unsuited to the male anatomy, and there is lots of evidence that men have difficulty using the effectvely and accurately.

The urinal - which you find 'gross' - is specifically adapted to the male anatomy, and denying them to men and forcing them to use cubicles and inappropriate floor-mounted WCs would be unfair. Discriminatory, even, perhaps.

Oh and disabled loos have no bearing in this - they are built to very specific requirements so that disabled people can have privacy to toilet, often with the help of a carer. The issue is not that a male arse has touched a toilet seat that a female uses, it’s the presence of the male in the space.

she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are.

So are the men I know, but I still don't want to share intimate spaces with them.

If you'd not get naked or rinse your blood soiled knickers in front of your dad, brothers or uncles why would you think anybody else would be comfortable doing that just because one of them decides they're not called Phillip anymore and have decided that they're called Phillippa?

But what difference does it make in practice? Whether someone is fully committed and has the surgery and hormones or just puts a wig on they still aren’t biological women. I don’t personally see any distinction myself. When we instinctively sex someone it don’t matter what the person has done to themselves or the clothes they wear

No hate from me.

I just want our sex segregation to remain.

Tried to block that one out, it is grim as fuck 🤮

she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet

Nice people don’t destroy female spaces to make themselves feel good.

What are you actually talking about? On what planet are toilet cubicles a 'safe space'? Do you realise how often SA happens in toilets? As well as drug use and so on. There is nothing safe about public bathrooms. Which is why women dont want the added risk of men being in them under the guise of "identifying as a woman". If he has a penis, he is a man, regardless of what he identifies as. Thats just a fact.

To throw the ableism comment in there is you clutching at straws tbh. There are a lot of public bathrooms with a disabled stall in womens toilets. There are a lot of public bathrooms with a disabled stall containing one toilet, so what would the need be for single sex disabled toilets if only one person can use them per time, or they are otherwise integrated into the single sex toilets? If a transgender disabled person were to use the bathroom, there is almost always a single bathroom separate from the gendered ones for them to use. Its one person a time and thus that issue is eliminated.

Its not the fault of women that a lot of building architecture is made without disabled people in mind. How on Earth you have tried to spin that is beyond me. Your comment "is it not taking anything away from women" is backhanded and feels hateful towards your own gender, and thus all of the other women here. Of course it isnt about not taking anything away from women - its about keeping women safe. Why would you want to take away measures protecting the safety of women, under any circumstances?