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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender hate on mum's net

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Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 13:30

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

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BeeHive909 · 08/04/2026 16:04

There’s hate because people are realistic and know that it’s not real. Anyone claiming to be trans needs genuine help. I’m certainly not happy about sharing a bathroom with a man in a wig either and i have gotten one kicked out of the toilets too.

DeftBrickWriter · 08/04/2026 16:04

MarieDeGournay · 08/04/2026 15:45

How do you work out, DeftBrickWriter, that an issue which removes even the most basic women's right, i.e. the right to the word 'woman', has zero significance in our lives?

I don't know much about history, but I do know how to be on the right side of biology, which says that human sex is binary and immutable.

I'm aware that for some people, facts like that are of precisely zero significance..

How many trans people do you know? Is it zero by any chance?

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:05

FelliniFilms · 08/04/2026 15:47

Of course, they can. In fact, when men are chemically castrated, it often makes them more violent out of frustration and they start using objects to penetrate their victims instead. This is basic stuff.

And you have experience of this then do or are you a doctor

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CollsR · 08/04/2026 16:06

I also don't hate transgender people. I also would rather share a bathroom with a transgender woman, rather than a transgender man. I think there are just a lot of keyboard warriors full of hate here. Any thread has a certain amount of "advice" that's basically just so horrible and off topic that it should be ignored. My guess, even though 1% of the population are psychopaths I'm sure 5% of the posts here are from psychopaths.

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 16:06

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 15:59

How do you establish this? Security guards checking our vaginas when we enter?

Well all the people who have "never had a problem with a transwoman, only with cis men" appear to be able to tell. What makes you think no-one else can?

Forresty · 08/04/2026 16:07

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 16:02

Nope, and trans women have been using womens bathrooms for ages and it hasn’t been a problem, has it

Is this a joke answer? Sarcasm?

Sure, women are definitely going to kick off when there's a man in the Ladies with them 🤔 Or, are they just going to get out of there as quickly as possible, and not complain, because someone might call them a "bigot" and possibly threaten their career?

Thank god those days are ending.

murasaki · 08/04/2026 16:07

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 16:06

Well all the people who have "never had a problem with a transwoman, only with cis men" appear to be able to tell. What makes you think no-one else can?

It's a good point. If they can tell , why do they assume we can't tell a transwoman?

Owly11 · 08/04/2026 16:07

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 15:59

How do you establish this? Security guards checking our vaginas when we enter?

You seem to be muddling up the law (that most law abiding citizens follow freely and respectfully) with law enforcement (which sadly doesn't always happen and sadly doesn't deter people who wish to break the law). The person entering the bathroom knows whether they are entering the correct one just as the person filling in the benefit forms knows whether what they write is the truth or not. Or has it escaped your notice that society relies largely on a shared agreement to follow the law with the police and the courts there to pursue people who don't. You don't make laws based on how easy or not they are to enforce, you make laws based on public policy and how a society wishes to run itself.

BackToLurk · 08/04/2026 16:08

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 16:05

And you have experience of this then do or are you a doctor

It's a major objection given when chemical castration of sex offenders is proposed. It's pretty well documented

amibeingaknob · 08/04/2026 16:08

DeftBrickWriter · 08/04/2026 16:04

How many trans people do you know? Is it zero by any chance?

Doesnt matter though does it. How many trans people do you need to know to know that sex in binary? Zero. Knowing some nice ones doesn't change anything.

Thebigarsedbitch · 08/04/2026 16:08

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 15:55

Thank you I totally agree the only issues I've encountered are from cis men

There is no such thing as 'cis'. It's a term
Invented by trans activists to support their ridiculous claim that there are multiple different genders, when science proves that sex is binary and anything else is a just a delusion pedalled by those who hold retrogressive views about sexual sterotypes.
.

Gloriia · 08/04/2026 16:09

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 15:59

How do you establish this? Security guards checking our vaginas when we enter?

Women with tattoos and beards, often piercings too are still obviously women.

Their height, gait, hands and hips give them away. No need to 'check out vaginas' The point is no one gives a rat's ass about women identifying as men in women's areas as women don't tend to be a threat, intimidating or violent.

murasaki · 08/04/2026 16:09

CollsR · 08/04/2026 16:06

I also don't hate transgender people. I also would rather share a bathroom with a transgender woman, rather than a transgender man. I think there are just a lot of keyboard warriors full of hate here. Any thread has a certain amount of "advice" that's basically just so horrible and off topic that it should be ignored. My guess, even though 1% of the population are psychopaths I'm sure 5% of the posts here are from psychopaths.

I'd rather share a loo with a transgender woman too. As they'd be a transman, but still a woman. The obfuscation re language really doesn't help.

GlomOfNit · 08/04/2026 16:09

OP, you seem a little incoherent (of course, it might just be that the Easter hols have gone on a little long?) but if I take you correctly, you're saying that you would not want to share the women's toilets with a 'hairy masculine transgender man' - and since you earlier on mention the lovely lovely 'transgender women' (meaning, if I interpret correctly, biological males. In dresses), I have to assume that by the term 'hairy masculine transgender man' you mean a 'transman' - that is to say, a biological woman who prefers to present as a man, by the most stereotypical metric.

OP, I think you may have said something unkind. You should rethink/reframe/reform/something. Poor hairy masculine transgender men! but then they ARE women, as they're female, so - no, I wouldn't mind sharing a loo with one.

I tend not to ask someone if they identify as trans as it's none of my business. If a man is in the women's loos, or swimming changing room, or any other space designated for women-only, I would object to that, yes. And I don't care what clothes he's wearing (or not, as the case may be). I can tell he's a man, because, well, he's a man. Male.

DreamingBe · 08/04/2026 16:09

You want anecdotes for why some of us have concerns about erosion of single sex spaces? I've known a load of trans people. I'm a geek and they're everywhere in my hobbies. I'll refer to them according to the pronouns they usually expect me to use here, which I appreciate is controversial, but I do this offline as standard so as to not be completely ostracised and lose my job, so I may as well indicate here how I'd usually refer to them.

One was one of my long-term partners, who is an autogynephile, has no illusions about his paraphilias and should very definitely not be in female toilets or changing rooms because it'd be a turn-on for him to see women in a state of undress, and he's a decent person who would be mortified about potentially causing distress or alarm to women or children so would never put himself in that situation. He doesn't engage in his paraphilias in ways that cause harm to anyone (except himself) and has suffered quite some anguish in the past at how his proclivities are doubtless tangled up in subconscious sexism and feed off of harmful stereotypes. They set in when he was young, and have caused him a lot of unhappiness. I'd say he needs therapy but isn't a risk to anyone except himself; if he were predatory or just less of a decent person and decided he wanted to barge into women's spaces or involve unwilling participants in his fetishes, it'd be an entirely different kettle of fish. He broadly agrees with the majority of GC causes and with JKR, although finds her unpleasantly direct.

One of my childhood autistic friends developed a hatred of other men at his all boys school due to horrendous bullying. He declared himself a lesbian as a teenager and started trying to date lesbians without doing any sort of transitioning or even changing pronouns, and seemingly couldn't understand that this might not be something they'd be interested in when I tried to question it and encouraged him to get therapy about his experiences. We drifted out of contact but I heard that he was still trying to date teenage girls as he got older.

Another (post-op, well passing) transwoman I knew through a hobby was notorious for repeated sexual assaults and anger outbursts / violence, to the extent where new entrants to that social circle would be warned about her by the other women. She's very feminine and meek in presentation publicly, but barged past me once and nearly pushed me over. There were men in the same social circle who I was also warned about, and trans women who weren't the subject of similar warnings, so I doubt she was being singled-out due to transphobia.

Another transwoman hobbyist, on one occasion, cornered me alone at a social club in a small room and gave me sexualised compliments whilst blocking my exit. She's built like a rugby player and I was silently having a panic attack whilst I went into fawning mode. I started using the disabled toilet because the female ones were in an isolated building and the club policy was that she could use them, and I got other club members to walk me to my car after events because it creeped me out so badly. She was eventually thrown out for sexually inappropriate conduct towards another attendee.

One of my close friends has a transwoman relative who has been arrested for alleged GBH against their own baby as well as abuse against the mother.

I've also unfortunately known a lot of extremely unpleasant, abusive or outright criminal men, including ones who've been imprisoned for child abuse. This hasn't led me to view men or transwomen as monsters, it's made me see those individuals as bad people.

I've also known plenty of trans people who seem lovely, although most of them seem to have mental health issues, autism and have suffered extremely sexist upbringings.

Campaigning for single-sex services, for accurate data collection, for fairness in sport and the other common gender critical causes doesn't mean I hate transwomen. It means I see them as human and as likely to be a risk to women and children as any other man, according to the biological differences between our bodies, the statistical evidence showing that they exhibit male patterns of violence, and the repeated personal experiences I've had which have demonstrated abusive and predatory behaviours from some transwomen.

FelliniFilms · 08/04/2026 16:10

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 16:02

Nope, and trans women have been using womens bathrooms for ages and it hasn’t been a problem, has it

tell that to the little girl in Scotland who was raped by one in the supermarket toilets, and that's just for starters.

Xiaoxiong · 08/04/2026 16:10

@JLou08 the issue of transmen is discussed, but the issues are completely different.

The narrative on here isn't that "all trans people being perverts who only transition so they can get in women's spaces and abuse them"

It's that

  1. Transwomen are male

  2. Male people don't belong in single sex spaces because they are male, regardless of their intentions

  3. A male person continues to be male no matter what plastic surgery they have had or drugs they have taken, or how sincerely they believe themselves to be female or a woman, or what their intentions are

  4. Transmen are female

  5. Female people are welcome in female single sex spaces regardless of their beefiness or hairiness, or how sincerely they believe themselves to be male

  6. Many feminists worry that female people, as a result of sex-based violence, abuse, or other factors such as neurodiversity are mistakenly thinking that transition (and possibly damaging their bodies and their health with binders, surgery or hormones) as an escape route from patriarchal oppression

Seriestwo · 08/04/2026 16:10

The most irritating thing about this thread is the rogue apostrophe in the title.

Educate yourself. Do better, @Steph2002

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 16:10

MajorProcrastination · 08/04/2026 15:48

Why are you making things up? I know who the man is and he doesn't call himself Sally because he's a man who was born a boy and lives his life as a man.

What a weird place for your head to go.

It’s not a weird place at all, it’s what happens when you let men into women’s spaces. And has happened to other women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 16:11

murasaki · 08/04/2026 16:07

It's a good point. If they can tell , why do they assume we can't tell a transwoman?

Well quite.

SparklyOliveSwan · 08/04/2026 16:11

spannasaurus · 08/04/2026 13:52

How do you feel about the approximately 90% of transwomen who don't have surgery and still have a penis?

Proof?

KaleidoscopeSmile · 08/04/2026 16:12

Steph2002 · 08/04/2026 15:55

Thank you I totally agree the only issues I've encountered are from cis men

Is that it - is that all you're going to respond to after multiple pages of comments?

Genuinely, what was the effing point of your thread?

I'll repeat myself till I'm blue in the face: you lot defending men in women's space are either men's rights activists or handmaidens. You don't have any other type.

And stop pretending that you think than transwomen are men because I don't believe for one single second that you do.

Otterloverfrenchielady · 08/04/2026 16:12

amibeingaknob · 08/04/2026 16:04

Yes thats really not true though. In the real world, transwomen stick out like a sore thumb. Even the ultra femme ones, usually in seconds you can tell because of the way they hold themselves, talk, body language etc.

In the past, if a transwoman went in a loo people would kick him out or sideeye. It wasn't widespread and on the rare occasions it happened we all knew. Stop making out like these special butterfly men have been around us for ages and we are all oblivious. Come on...

I literally know trans women in their 70s who I have used bathrooms with over may years and not been side eyed or kicked out
yet I have been ‘accused’ of being a man by several transphobes despite the fact I am short, fairly feminine, not at all masculine looking.
go figure

GlomOfNit · 08/04/2026 16:13

"My guess, even though 1% of the population are psychopaths I'm sure 5% of the posts here are from psychopaths."

Gosh, CollsR, that's quite a contention! I'm sure you're an expert psychologist or psychiatrist though and are able to determine this merely by sampling a few posts on MN.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2026 16:13

Weeklyreport · 08/04/2026 15:53

Funny how you are ignoring all the evidence of hatred from trans activists. I've never seen women's rights marches where women have threatened to kill, rape or punch trans people. There have been multiple trans rights marches where TRAs have threatened women with murder, rape and assault.

Of course these people are ignoring it, it doesn’t suit the agenda they’re trying to push.

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