Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

It already does state that no one can be a ‘chosen’ sex. You remain your birth sex.

This is stated for some specific circumstances in the GRA and all circumstances in the EA and confirmed by the SC judgement.

30% of women in a large amount of women. Other studies have shown the supporters to be in the majority. There are clearly mixed opinions on this among women.

What might happen in the future is not relevant - the law currently is not 'murky' and sets out very clearly that men should not be in single sex spaces for the reasons already given.

I mean, the law in future might allow me to drive 150mph on the motorway - but it doesn't at the moment, so I drive as I'm legally allowed to do now.

Some women might disagree that trans women are male

As that is not based in fact, that is not a valid opinion.

The SC judgment confirmed that trans identifying males are male.

No, but my opinion is just one among many other women. That is the point. At any point I might be well in the majority, or plunge into the minority.

Treating other women poorly because they have a different opinion on this or any matter isn't going to change anyone's mind on the issue.

Legal experts on both sides of the debate seem to think it is.

No, most women do not think TWAW. Unfortunately there are still too many who are willing to throw their own sex under the bus though.

The law is clear on this already thanks to the Supreme Court judgement. Where a provision is designated female single sex it doesn’t matter what some women believe about some male people. The law is there to protect female people who would be harmed by those other female people attempting to negate their consent.

The law, despite you belief that it is not clear, is clear.

No, it doesn't! That was entirely the point of the recent ruling and the case brought by FWS. It clarified the meaning of the equality act and it did this over months of deliberation and testing by a panel of esteemed legal experts.

Why don't you read it for yourself?

But there are issues with the wording of the ruling and it can be overturned in the future. That's why it's just what the law currently says IMO. Just like any laws, really.

The law currently says I can't rob banks.

Can you link to large scale independent polls that show the majority of women think men should be in their toilets and changing rooms?

I have. And people who understand the law far better than me have said it remains murky.

No they don't.

But again, the future is not now.

”Those women are women and their opinions are as valid as any other woman on this matter.”

Not under the EA 2010.

It is for this purpose that laws around safeguarding exist.

Yes. But any that I link, people will find some issue with it that somehow makes it less valid than the poll they'd link that says otherwise. There isnt any point. This isnt a real discussion. Partly because other people cannot even accept that women who disagree with them are still women, let alone allowed their opinion.

Your belief that some men are women does not over-rule any other woman's awareness that they are not. The Law gives protection to female only spaces and categories and 'Sex' and the word 'woman' means biological sex.

You are free to choose mixed sex spaces if you like or prefer them ,but it does not give you the right to consent on behalf of other women for whom single sex spaces are protected in law.

Yes they do. Denying reality is kind of ironic really.

Which people specifically, please?

If you had actually read the thread instead of responding in your frantic rage, you'd see i just clearly stated that I do not believe that TWAW, but i am but a mere blip on a massive earth or whatever.

Please show your intelligence instead of your ability to respond emotively and read posts properly. It will make me respect you as an individual a lot more.

30% of women in a large amount of women. Other studies have shown the supporters to be in the majority. There are clearly mixed opinions on this among women.

However that 30% doesn't get to overrule the 60% against. If these other studies exist then please provide links. Opinions might be mixed but it's an overwhelming majority in favour of keeping transwomen i.e. men out of female spaces.

No, they don't.

And I will repeat that the future is not now - let's focus on the law on this issue in the here and now, rather than the hypothetical.

It's reminding me of a poster on here a couple of years ago who demanded to know what we would do at some unspecified point in the future if science had managed in some way to develop of a process where people could actually change sex.

And wasn't best pleased when we pointed out that if such a day did come, it still didn't mean that human beings could currently change sex or that legislation should allow for that possible day in the future. That in fact the legislation now was what was relevant.

Which is perfectly clear.

Ive said why there is no point linking them. You'll use the no true scotsman fallacy to try and disprove it

Asking women who have decided to prioritise men over their own sex, to explain why the men’s feelings are more important, is not treating them poorly.

No they haven't! The Supreme Court is the supreme court of the land and its rulings over-rule all lower courts. I think you should read the ruling for yourself rather than relying on third hand distortions from groups such as the GLP and others with investments in trans ideology. It is they that aim to keep things "murky", because clear day-light and thorough examination reveal the truth