Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

I hope you are aware that the majority of votes on that poll were from those who - what was it? Oh yes. Never dipped a toe in the water.
But however much "your friends" (the ones who go to another school) want three mixed sex ponds, you can't have that and call two of them single sex. It's the law, mate.

I have no idea what you mean.

I dont think that women who seem to hate men and their dicks will be okay with seeing them in changing rooms while they are naked.

I can say that its not as easy as you might think to smash an easter egg with your actual head.

Do not recommend.

So, women who cannot go out in public because of male people's personal decisions that they have made that they cannot use the single sex provision for their own sex should 'just get over it'....

But the male people who hold a belief in a personally constructed and subjective reality where they believe the impossible and that they are female, those people should be centred and have society ignore the needs of female people who need female single sex provisions?

Do you honestly think that this is kindness? And that this is tolerance?

And you are now out of step with the majority of those younger people you said were so progressive. Because the majority of those people want single sex spaces for their use.

'The group, known as Bash Back, told activists to form “independent local cells”, “identify a target” — including MPs, organisations and political party conferences — and “ensure your target can be hit repeatedly until they desist” from their “transphobic” activities.'

Ffs. And all because women don't think rape victims wanting single sex spaces is wrong. The Right Side of History, eh?

Is Prevent on this lot already?

Fuck!!

'Both sides'... like fuck 'both sides' are extreme. I am now convinced that anyone who declares that 'both sides are as extreme as each other' has no sense of proportion. There is no symmetry here.

"A militant transgender activist group has issued a “direct action” guide to members, urging them to arm themselves and carry out repeated illegal attacks on MPs and organisations.

The group, known as Bash Back, told activists to form “independent local cells”, “identify a target” — including MPs, organisations and political party conferences — and “ensure your target can be hit repeatedly until they desist” from their “transphobic” activities."

yeah... of course... both sides...

Grim, int'it?

….and the women who self exclude who did use and want to in the future use the ponds? What about them? And how does excluding transwomen from a space that is meant for the exclusive use of women ruin anything for women?

See, now I'm intrigued as to what type of Easter egg you attempted to smash with your head. One feels that a Cadbury's one will be a tougher nut to crack than a Nestle one for example. Or did you really throw caution to the wind and go for one of the super posh Waitrose thick shell ones?

GlovedhandsCecilia It isnt dissimilar to how they treat Black women when they want to take equal space somewhere that is designated for all women.

You aren't the first to in some way equate Black women with trans-identified men.

It's about as dissimilar as it can get, GlovedhandsCecilia - all Black women are women and are all entitled to be in any space designated for women.

No man is a woman, and no man is entitled to be in any space designated for women.

Nestle?! I'm not a monster!!!

It was a Wispa one.

I have no idea what you mean.

I dont think that women who seem to hate men and their dicks will be okay with seeing them in changing rooms while they are naked.

Eta: wrong quote no idea what happened there

I blame the Easter Bunny

And the palm oil. It's bad stuff that.

I am a Black woman. That's partly how I know how performative inclusion works.

ETA: in fact, this soundbyte of "Black women deserve equal space" is the type of thing that is said until Black women actually start taking up space. It has worked the same for poor women, disabled women etc etc.

When people actually have to include those voices, they actions stop matching their words.

I grew up with sugar icing eggs that you needed a hammer to crack. Chocolate just melted everywhere before we even got a chocolate one

It really is.

What message are we sending to our girls and young women when these men are publicising their intentions and nobody says ‘hang on! This is not acceptable behaviour!’

So progressive.

I agree with you that excluding Black women from women-only spaces would be despicable and unacceptable.

The word 'women' must mean all women, i.e. all members of the category identified by means of biological sex.

You also mention disability - there's plenty of evidence of disabled people's rights being downplayed or relegated, such as spaces designated for disabled people who actually need them being used by able-bodied trans people who are perfectly capable of using the toilet designated for their sex, but choose not to out of preference or comfort, rather than physical need.

Ok so we are left with single sex facilties. Not single-sex-but-not-really facilties.

And if it’s impractical to re-engineer public toilets and changing rooms to mixed sex then it would be fucking lunacy to try to use gender especially as there is no agreed number of genders. Much better that we just use sex with some additional single user facilities for those who can’t or won’t use the facilties that matches their sex.

Sure bud, but you include males in your definition of women, so of course they’re cross at being told no.

But they are already mixed sex, so how would making them “officially” mixed sex change anything?

Exactly.
There should have been different names for classification by gender from the outset, and no pretence about it having anything to do with sex-based facilities and groups.

Just adding this as about the treatments that have been said to be to improve the mental health of people with transgender identities, since apparently speaking bluntly about that care, and the issues with puberty blockers that Helen Joyce bluntly pointed out, is to be demonised by some posters on this thread.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533

Psychiatric Morbidity Among Adolescents and Young Adults Who Contacted Specialised Gender Identity Services in Finland in 1996–2019: A Register Study

Sami-Matti Ruuska, Katinka Tuisku, Timo Holttinen, Riittakerttu Kaltiala
First published: 04 April 2026

ABSTRACT
Aim
To examine the prevalence of severe psychiatric morbidity among gender-referred adolescents, focusing on gender differences and outcomes related to medical gender reassignment.

Methods
Finnish nationwide cohort of all under-23-year-old gender-referred individuals between 1996 and 2019 (n = 2 083) and 16 643 matched controls. Cross-tabulations with X2 statistics and Cox regression were used to analyse the data.

Results
Gender-referred adolescents showed significantly higher psychiatric morbidity than controls both before (45.7% vs. 15.0%) and ≥ 2 years after referral (61.7% vs. 14.6%). Those referred after 2010 had greater psychiatric needs than earlier cohorts, both before (47.9% vs. 15.3%) and ≥ 2 years after (61.3% vs. 14.2%) referral. Among adolescents who underwent medical gender reassignment, psychiatric morbidity increased markedly during follow-up—rising from 9.8% to 60.7% in feminising gender reassignment and from 21.6% to 54.5% in masculinising gender reassignment. After adjusting for prior psychiatric treatment, all gender-referred adolescents had similarly elevated risks of psychiatric morbidity, with hazard ratios approximately three times higher than female controls and five times higher than male controls.

Conclusion
Severe psychiatric morbidity is common among gender-referred adolescents and appears to be more prevalent in those referred after the recent surge in referrals. Psychiatric needs do not subside after medical gender reassignment.

Summary

-Gender-referred adolescents show high psychiatric morbidity, yet gender differences and mental health trajectories after medical gender reassignment remain poorly understood.

-These adolescents had markedly higher psychiatric morbidity than controls before and after referral, with treatment needs often persisting and even intensifying after medical interventions—on some, they might even have a negative impact.

-Findings emphasise the need for thorough psychiatric assessment and ongoing treatment throughout medical gender reassignment.

This very situation has been highlighted for years now and the whistleblower clinicians were dismissed as being hateful. There have been a few reviews done that have shown this dynamic though, including one from Yale and Sweden that made conclusions of improvement that had to be corrected as the review showed no such thing.

Maybe those posters who wish to quibble over the language Helen Joyce used could post the long term evidence that contradicts this study. Maybe those posters could also answer why they think the IOC has made an error in interpreting the current and consistent evidence that informed their decision to exclude male people from female Olympic events too? Since Helen Joyce also mentioned this.

Engage with the substance of her arguments if you want to prove Helen Joyce wrong.

Violent man tries to defend his violent rhetoric, same as ever.

I think this is too complex for you to understand. I'll try again.

There is a phenomenon where people display what is basically performative "wokeness" or virtue signalling. They try to shame other people and earn social points by being The Most Inclusive and Progressive.

The thing is, when they have to actually include these humans and those humans have thoughts and feelings of their own which might be challenging for the "Woke" person, the "Woke" person is not as keen on inclusion. That's when they will start to exclude the "challenger", by accusing them of being disruptive or an imposter. When all they've really done is take the space they were told was equally theirs.

This happens to Black women in white feminist spaces all the time. Often by the same people you will see lecturing other white people about racism. I can definitely see it happening to trans women by the very women who campaigned for their complete inclusion.

What I am saying isnt about saying trans women have as much right to be in women's spaces as Black women. I am saying that the most privileged women will recoil if trans women actually take equal space as per their usual pattern of "inclusion".