Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

Just to be clear.

This male poster has declared a suggestion that women who he classes as bigots should be fucked. Not 'fuck off' or anything like that. But uses a sentence that is cannot really be interpreted as anything other than sexual violence.

Then a poster says "I don’t see anything about corrective rape."

What is the correct terminology for a woman to be subjected to such sexual violence or any violence for expressing an opinion that a male person disagrees with?

If the published statement just said 'fuck off bigots' or 'fuck you bigots', we would not be having this discussion. But this statement is very explicit about fucking someone with a splintery rolling pin. That is why people are rightfully calling it out. And the 'corrective' can be said to apply because it is a threat to correct an opinion or a belief.

Actually what the judge said in the Forstater case about expressing beliefs was obiter - said in passing and not part of the reasoning behind the judgment. This means in essence the comment is not legally binding because it fell outside of what the case was about.

Still waiting for examples of GC ‘extremists’ behaviour that are equivalent to what the vile man on this thread has posted. <Drums fingers>

(Not really waiting, because we all know it would be a thankless task as THEY DON’T EXIST).

The equating of this abhorrent threat with women discussing women's rights is absurd.

There is no 'both sides'. Me stating that violent rape threats are not acceptable is not the equivalent of a man making a violent rape threat.

Again, with the irony especially in view of your ‘advice’ for Op’s daughter

To learn better social cues? That's what someone should do if they find themselves isolated due to their views.

Exactly

The narrative that 'gc' women are 'extreme' - the equivalent of men making violent rape threats - does not stand up to scrutiny.

It may seem superficially plausible at a very quick glance - here are men attacking women; here are women protesting. This is presented as 'both sides'.

Its crucial to listen to the content of what is being said.

The fact you are talking about what someone posted in the past on a different matter is an example of the derailing. The fact you can't see that the thread is not about Aida, their sex, their gender or their twitter account is part of the problem.

Really? What about examining her environment and considering who she is mixing with? Using critical thinking? Seeking other friends?

I don't think that only GC women are extreme. Aida seems pretty extreme, too. I think you are all similar in how your extremism manifests.

What is extreme?

Oh give over, do you think we all button up the back?!

HE made this thread about HIMSELF by reposting the threat HE made on another site. Would not surprise me if HE doesn’t have numerous sock puppets on here.

You are so fucking transparent.

Nobody likes someone who wants to turn evrry conversation into a debate on a single issue. It's tiresome. Even when you agree with their views.

I agree.

Anyone 'both sides'ing is trying to distance themselves from the discussion in a way that probably makes them feel more comfortable in some way. I think Starmer did it to maintain ambiguity about what decisions he makes and he wishes to not engage in any discussion at all. There is absolutely no symmetry between the 'sides'.

It is a false characterisation of the behaviour of two groups and that is why women call out that falsity. I do think that those who use that empty phrase for this issue do it also to make their own opinions more comfortable for them. If they dismiss what these male people are actually doing and saying in any way, through minimisation with 'both sides' somehow either justifying it, or minimising what these male people are doing and saying, then their support of that group can remain at the philosophical level.

They don't have to deal with outcomes of allowing male people into female single sex provisions because through their 'both sides'ing they have dismissed the very behaviour that harms those female people needing those provisions. It also makes it easier to hide behind 'progressive' labelling of their beliefs if they ignore the harms it causes to female people.

And if you all had ignored the post, what do you think would have happened?

Where is this happening?

It’s true I could have added sexism to that list, and it’s an interesting example – I have read stories from extreme misogynists who were radicalised online and later broke away from the ideology describe how spending their time in online echo chambers affected their real life friendships and relationships. They would absorb all this rhetoric and misinformation and hate that was presented as fact in online spaces, and then encountered this dissonance where the views that were normalised and reinforced in their online life were of course seen as hateful and unacceptable in their real life interactions. Even people who might hold casual or unexamined sexist views themselves would find their extremism offputting. And of course anyone who attempted to question their views or push back or even say “can we not discuss that, it makes me uncomfortable” would just get these regurgitated little soundbites in return, about how they were obviously just a cuck or a beta or blue-pilled, because that’s how you learn to shut down conversations online. And it was all self-perpetuating, because they’d find themselves increasingly isolated and lonely but would respond by doubling down, telling themselves it was other people who were the problem, and spend more and more time in online spaces instead. It took great strength and self-awareness to finally be able recognise and unpick their behaviour, to start to think critically about the misinformation they were being fed, to recognise women in real life didn’t resemble the horrible caricatures they’d been led to believe in, and finally see that they had been the problem all along.

It is actually quite scary how easy and intoxicating it is to slip into extremist views when you’re surrounded by people normalising and reinforcing them and telling you that you’re right and everybody else is wrong.

There's just no point
They won't see it. If you're too far gone, you're too far gone.
It's "define" or "what is extreme?" deflecting.
They can't, or won't see it.
It's just shouting past each other at this point with some.

Well, I'm glad you two have found each other! Because I'm not sure anyone else really gets wtf you are talking about to be honest.

The constant assumptions that anyone saying anything different to you must also believe x, y, z. The questioning of people on their wider views on sex and gender, even when it barely related to the topic. Trying to insert trans related issues in every conversation and attacking the character of anyone that disagrees with you.

These are common traits on both sides of the debate. These traits are common in all extremists.

Thought provoking post, and yes I tend to agree.

It is actually quite scary how easy and intoxicating it is to slip into extremist views when you’re surrounded by people normalising and reinforcing them and telling you that you’re right and everybody else is wrong
I've been thinking this for a while now, and don't think enough is ever said or studied or whatever how easy it is to get radicalised online/develop more extreme views on subjects.

Perhaps if they ceased frothing and smearing the OP's daughter as "repellant" quite as much and read the OPs posts, they would see that's not what's happened to this young woman? Edited to state this is a general comment, not accusing any specific poster.

As a general point, this thread does demonstrate where some of our intolerant young are getting their abusive and coercive behaviour from. And it's evidently not just from their education.

I hope the OP has got something useful from this thread. My take is that it's rare to see quite as much DARVO all in one place

Here is the perfect example of an echo chamber radicalising the particpants.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/

Perhaps if they ceased frothing and smearing the OP's daughter as "repellant" quite as much and read the OPs posts, they would see that's not what's happened to this young woman

Seeing as that "you two" post was in reference to me and another poster, I'd love to see where I've "frothed", or smeared the OP's daughter as "repellent."
That's just utter made up bullshit.