Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

I thought people were discussing an actual rape threat made by a man who is on this thread?

Think they're "on about" how it always comes down to that rhetoric, and your posts are showing it perfectly -
with stuff like "some people are very very angry with women who won't do as they're told"
giving the same energy as "so anyone who deviates from the acceptable party line HATES WOMEN, DON'T YOU?"

Honestly, you've both lost me. There is a man on here who has expressed a wish to 'fuck' a named woman with a 'splintery rolling pin'.

I dont think that's okay. And I think I'm allowed to express my feeling that I dont want him sharing spaces with me or my daughter.

Anyone supporting an ideology that promotes the removal of female single sex provision, certainly doesn’t give a shit about women.

I'm not going to stop saying that rape threats are not okay. Even if you keep shouting at me with all caps.

It's always interesting how when self-selected "reasonable" posters trot out the liturgy that gender critical views are the "same... [as] ... homophobic and racist views" they never include sexism.

The rights and protections of female people have so obviously dropped off their radar completely that sexism is no longer a go to example of prejudice for them.

For the avoidance of doubt:

Genderism is a sexist belief system.

It is impossible to believe that the fundamental difference between men and women is in our minds rather than our bodies without reducing and limiting the types of minds that are "alllowed" for men and for women.

Female people saying no to sexism is not hate.

Female people objecting to public displays of sexism is not hate.

Female people saying we also exist and our needs matter too is not hate.

Some people may be misguided or naive or.lack life experience.

Its pretty clear pretty quickly why women need the single sex spaces our foremothers fought so hard for.

@ScaryFaces
You were the one who drew a comparison between GC views and homophobic and racist views.

When you are presented with details of some TRA views that we are all aware of, and many of us have been faced with in real life ...
Wearenotborg · Today 12:01
Are you rwalky comparing GC views to racism and homophobia? Shall we talk about TRA views then? Views like a male can be a lesbian and lesbians are bigots if they don’t date them, or that males with a trans identity are women because black women are women? I’ve heard and seen both those arguments from TRAs. Those seem pretty homophobic and racist to me. Maybe if trans allies weren’t so determined to compel everyone to accept their religious beliefs, people might be more willing to explore avenues of compromise

You call it ranting proselytising.

You make it very clear that, like Dr Upton, it is impossible for anyone GC to express their views in a way which you would find acceptable.

That is NOT what you said is it?

You clearly advocated for and personally desire that J K Rowling and any other women who disagree with you and say 'No' to your demands be raped with a splintery rollling pin to shut them up.

What's the matter? Getting twitchy that even some of your allies on this thread wholeheartedly reject your desire to see women raped with splintery rolling pins to shut them up?

You used those words, you meant them exactly as you used them.

It is a clear threat of violence of a particularly horrific kind. It's even worse that it is not only broadcast to a lot of women, but it is specifically directed at one woman. If that woman was a member of my family, or a close friend, I would go straight to the Police. It is absolutely deplorable, and you should think very hard about what it is within you that caused you to write it.

you should think very hard about what it is within you that caused you to write it

100%
It's way beyond disturbing that someone's mind goes there as a threat

What is astonishing is that this man is so proud of this horrific threat, made publically.

He has apparently no idea of how far outwith the bounds of acceptable his discourse has gone.

Escalation, destabilisation, delusional narcissism.

I hope his family are okay.

AidaP · Today 09:59

Post by @aidap.bsky.social — Bluesky

This is the post they claim says so

That'll be because it does say so. It might identify as saying something else, I suppose.

One glimmer of reassurance is that I dont see anyone openly supporting this violent rhetoric. We used to, regularly. Open rape and death threats, all the time.

Aida is about seven years too late.

We have been. And I took your post to be expressly about statements that a male person has made and the fact that some other people have come back and actually said, in direct reaction to that statement made, that both sides are as bad as each other as if it is proportionate that women saying no, we need to have no male people in our female single sex provisions receive rape threats in return.

Just like a poster who took a rather extreme interpretation of the OP’s first post to completely mischaracterise the OP’s daughter based on nothing but what they themselves read into it is now making accusations that others have an issue with over reaction. It is hypocritical.

I think you'll find that kids' literature was dumbed down long before J K Rowling wrote her first book. Ever read any Enid Blyton as an adult?

JKR's language is neither bigoted nor hateful as far as I have seen. I assume you have plenty of examples, in context?

Where has anyone said that that's ok?! They haven't! I don't think anyone on here would agree it is.
If you can't see that you're exactly proving it right with your" so you think it's ok to fuck women with a splintery rolling pin then, do you?!" "DO YOU?!"
then just.... 🤷‍♀️

As a previous poster has pointed out, you may be mistaken about the younger generation agreeing with you.

I 100% agree with you that racism is not progressive.

Do you agree with me that sexism and lesbophobia are also not progressive?

Let me clarify what I'm referring to:
It is sexist the definition of the social group 'woman' to be changed by people outside the group so it includes people who are not biological females.

It is lesbophobic to insist that women who are solely same-sex attracted must accept that biological males can be lesbians, and must accept them as potential sexual partners.

Both of these seem seriously 'not progressive' to me, and as unacceptable as all the other forms of oppression I disagree with.

Do sexism and lesbophobia have a place in your concept of kindness and tolerance?

I'm very glad to hear you agree that rape threats are not okay.

I am just baffled by the second part of your post, I'm afraid.

There is the man who made the actual statement on this thread saying that it was not rape.

Well, exactly.

I don't recall Upton saying on the stand that "no one can express GC views in a way that I find acceptable", can you point to a specific example? It is interesting you bring up Doctor Upton though, given some people have raised the Forstater judgement and pretended not to realise there is a difference in law between holding a belief and expression of that belief. Of course the Peggie judgement is a good example of this, given that judgement explicitly stated Peggie had a right to her gender critical views but had manifested them in a way which constituted harassment of Doctor Upton (calling Upton "it", a "weirdo", requesting pictures of her so she could laugh at them etc).

As I said then -
🤷‍♀️

The thread is by a woman about her daughter and issues within her social group. A group of extremists, seemingly on both sides of the debate, then derailed the thread with their old arguments.

It’s probably less about the actual frequency of her talking an about it, and more the fact she’ll be viewed as a nazi equivalent for having GC views.