Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

Well, it was the judge who made the point you've attributed to trans activists.

You haven't answered my question either, do you think the Forstater judgement means people have to stay friends with someone whose GC views they find noxious? And if not, why did you bring it up, since a ruling about workplace conduct isn't relevant to people's personal friendships?

I think those views are progressive, yes. And I take comfort from the fact that the younger generation agree with me.

In the same way, I think racism is not progressive. And I take comfort in the fact that younger generations are less racist than older ones.

Ultimately, my hope is that these regressive views die out over time. And that people become kinder and more tolerant of difference.

Seems we still have a way to go though.

There is nothing progressive about gender stereotypes.

You haven't answered my question either, do you think the Forstater judgement means people have to stay friends with someone whose GC views they find noxious? And if not, why did you bring it up, since a ruling about workplace conduct isn't relevant to people's personal friendships?

No. I don't think this either. What other viewpoints would you like to put in my mouth?

I'm on my phone. I cba going to find the surveys.

Young people are just as terfy as us ancient old forty something dinosaurs, I'm afraid.

There was a blip; it's been and gone.

So why did you bring the Forstater judgement up, and why did you attribute to "trans activists" the judge's clarification that his ruling did not mean GC people therefore have free license to misgender, harass and discriminate without consequence?

'Regressive" and 'progressive' are pretty pointless terms unless one subscribes to a Utopian idealism that believes everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.

We remain mammals. We have yet to solve sexism, war, or world hunger. I suppose in one sense time is uni directional, but I'm unconvinced that this means Zack Polanski with his magical breast enlarging beliefs is a higher incarnation of being than any other politician.

I don't think you read my post properly or if you did you didn't understand it.

You advocate for mixed sex spaces and the removal of sex segregation. At least this is clear and open. Well done.

No, I really didn't. Stop creating these fictional arguments in your head.

The majority of young people in the U.K. are not “pro trans”. People in all ages groups are waking up to the damage that trans ideology is doing.

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

I see you did not actually read what you published carefully. You did not say ‘fuck off’ or ‘fuck you’. If you thought you did, you were mistaken.

I suggest you actually listen to the people who have pointed out what you have said and not just dismiss them as not being worthy of listening to because you disagree on something.

Exactly this. If 2 people not being her friend any more leaves her lonely, then her social isolation isn't about her views on any topic. However, OP came back and clarified and it sounded like lonely was an exaggeration.

It's on both "sides". The most vocal people on this matter come across as really quite irrational.

Gaslight ahoy!

The trouble is, OP, that some people are very, very angry with women who won't do as they are told.

It's revealed every time.

Nobody is gaslighting you. You're misusing that word. I'm coming right out and saying that some of you here come across that way and that's pretty much the same as the pro trans brigade. They come across as similarly narrow minded and unable to accept any information that even seems to contradict their views as well as attacking and interrogating everyone for their own stance. Even when it is only peripheral to the tooic in hand.

It's pretty full on.

Your post said "We're back to the cope that was put forward by trans activists in the wake of the Maya Forstater's successful appeal. It was all well and good for her to hold these views but that didn't mean she should be permitted to voice them. And if she did, well, actions have consequences."

I pointed out the "cope" that holding GC views doesn't entitle you to unlimited voicing of them was a statement made by the judge, not made up by "trans activists" as you claim.

I queried why you'd brought the judgement up, since it was about workplace conduct and irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is people's personal friendships.

I also pointed out it's manifestly true that actions have consequences, and no judgement in the world can make this not the case, and it's frankly rather childish to imagine you can live in a world where your actions won't have any social consequences just because you mistakenly think a judge said so.

Which part of your post quoted above are you claiming that you didn't say or that I misinterpreted?

Do you think that male people should be housed in the general female prison population?

Do you think that the Olympics has made the wrong decision in making female sports fair again for female athletes ?

Okay, thanks for clearing that up! 😊

If some women hadn’t been “full on” about this, we’d probably have self ID in this country now.

I am feeling my age as I don’t know what most of the acronyms in this thread mean!

Once again with the OH SO YOU HATE WOMEN DO YOU at any hint of disagreement.

People who find they are losing friends over this issue, I think you need to take a good long hard look at how you communicate about it, and if it's like this, then it's no mystery why you're alienating people to be honest.

Sorry, what? What are you actually on about?

Several of us have been talking in this thread about how a communication style of responding to any, even mild, disagreement or attempt to change the subject with a vicious unfounded accusation that you therefore must hate women or support rape threats is something that many people find offputting, and might be the root cause of some GC people finding they are struggling to maintain friendships. You then came along and provided a perfect, timely example of this style of communication, for which I thank you.