Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

If you don't understand that this is the wider social context in which GC and TRA perspectives are held, you won't fully appreciate the position OP's daughter is in and are very likely to draw false conclusions.

Certainly is the case at the University of Sussex, the University of Edinburgh and the University of Aberdeen, to name just a few.

Yes, sometimes these threads remind me of for example those charity people harassing you in town.
"No thank you, not today"
"OH, SO YOU HATE SICK BABIES?!"

Me........

Same energy as "SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU HATE ALL WOMEN AND THEY SHOULD DIE?"

Me.......

You do realise you are commenting this on the same thread which includes a man who has actually made threats to violently sexually assault women who disagree with him?

Your attempt at hyperbole regarding hating women is, unfortunately for you, a little too close to the mark to make the point you think it does.

Exactly. Imagine you're just trying to have a coffee with a friend and this is the energy coming at you.

I think your bias has become very clear now. Maybe you don’t see it because you see ‘righteousness’ as a leveller. You also think the Green Party with its intolerant stance is a positive thing.

No wonder you didn’t see a statement that was very clearly suggesting violent rape to bigots as problematic. You seem to have applied a righteousness leveller that actively dismisses a threatening statement as being the same level of ‘unpleasantness’ as woman saying that male people should not be included in female single sex spaces. While talking about kindness.

I think this is how most people operate.

You say your DD is ND. Do you think it’s that aspect that is leading to her loneliness rather than GC views? Or is she fixated on the subject as some posters have suggested?

I am not sure that the poster quite understands that a person calling for bigots to be fucked is calling for rape, or they believe that kind of threatening statement is justified or not really meant. Either way, they cannot acknowledge it is abhorrent.

This is the same poster though that seems to think that pro-trans positions should be prioritised even when it negatively impacts female people. I draw that conclusion from
their support of the Green Party’s position.

So, that poster will never acknowledge that a male person making such a statement is saying women should be correctively raped.

Multiply that by x hundred of social media and real life supporters and this is why these men feel free to make those comments.

We're back to the cope that was put forward by trans activists in the wake of the Maya Forstater's successful appeal. It was all well and good for her to hold these views but that didn't mean she should be permitted to voice them. And if she did, well, actions have consequences.

Please read all the OP’s posts. She has been really clear her daughter is not fixated.

I think this comment is a case in point. Anyone on this thread who is suggesting any moderation or even a hint of a contrary opinion is getting OH SO YOU SUPPORT RAPE THREATS TO WOMEN DO YOU.

Of course it’s difficult to maintain a friendship with someone who’s communication style is like this.

It’s a pity the first post wasn’t as clear as subsequent ones tbh.

Maybe its the 'corrective' part some people are not understanding? I mean the rapey bit is clear, some would say sickeningly so.

No doubt, yes. The OP did admit that she should have been.

But to be fair, by that stage the thread had already followed a person making wild assumptions with no basis.

Well, that was fun. The Easter egg hunt, I mean. Not this thread. This thread is less fun.

I do think the Green Party's position is correct, yes. And so do lots of people, judging from their recent rise in the polls.

Also, given that the Green Party is the preferred choice of young voters, that suggests they agree with me also.

For the record, yes, it's clear that @AidaP 's comment meant rape. I disagreed about the ' corrective ' part though.

I don't condone @AidaP 's comment at all. Totally unnecessary.

I did wonder about that too Arabella.

I wondered if someone had have said ‘punishment’ instead of corrective it would have been agreed with. I actually cannot fathom any person who thought it through carefully not seeing the threat clearly.

Is it that rape threats are seen as fair response to women who have expressed a desire for single sex spaces?

Or pearl clutching prudes are apparently really 'obsessive' for not wanting to share spaces with men who make these threats?

When you say "trans activists", do you mean the judge? Because this is what he said:

"This judgment does not mean that those with gender-critical beliefs can ‘misgender’ trans persons with impunity. The Claimant, like everyone else, will continue to be subject to the prohibitions on discrimination and harassment that apply to everyone else. Whether or not conduct in a given situation does amount to harassment or discrimination within the meaning of EqA will be for a tribunal to determine in a given case."

And of course actions have consequences. No legislation in the world entitles people to find there are no consequences to their actions. If people don't agree with your views or don't like the way you express them, they won't want to be friends with you - that's their right, they have freedom of speech, expression and association just the same as you do. Do you think the Forstater judgement means people should be forced to stay friends with you? Are you a child?

Besides which, the Forstater case isn't even relevant here, since it was specifically about conduct in the workplace, not about people's individual friendships. Those don't fall within the scope of the EqA2010.

Exactly. I think the TRA ranting is very off putting. Maybe someone should tell them racism and homophobia are not the best tools in winning hearts and minds.

Are you okay?

You think that just because young people support the prioritisation of gender identity over the needs of female people for female single sex provisions that it is what is progressive and prioritising female people in female single sex provisions is not progressive?

When you say "trans activists", do you mean the judge?

No. HTH.

Are you?

Is it that rape threats are seen as fair response to women who have expressed a desire for single sex spaces?
Or pearl clutching prudes are apparently really 'obsessive' for not wanting to share spaces with men who make these threats?

Nobody's agreed rape threats are fair response as far as I can see, and nobody's saying that anyone's a pearl clutching prude if they object to rape threats?!
So yes - are you ok? Seeing as you're asking others

Are you lot really trying to make it so someone telling you to "fuck off" or "fuck you" is a threat of rape? But calling for heads to roll and murder of charity stake holders is fine and just rhetoric's?

Hilarious. The double standard and straw clutching to make your thin skinned reality work, while relentlessly harassing every trans person you can from pretend anonymity.

Put hey, if you really believe that, put it to test: Avon and Somerset Police