Men dressing as women; what really motivates them.

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Malcolm Clark does not hold back on what really motivates men dressing as women.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/04/02/kristi-noems-husband-and-the-dark-secret-of-trans/

FFS.

It only "doesn't make them morally objectionable" if you consider women to be background colour, non player characters.

But if you consider women to be fully realised human beings with all the variation and inner life that entails, it's really fucking morally objectionable for men to cosplay "women" for any reason.

I mean, would you not see any issues with a white man donning blackface or yellow face because he needs it to feel "like a sexual being"?

Or if a man needed to dress up as a "sexy nurse" rather than just a "sexy laydeee" to get his rocks off would it not be understandable that actual nurses might find it a teeny bit insulting and icky?

Because this isn't just about the men and whether their motivations are ok or not, it's also about how far society considers acceptable to make women belittled and uncomfortable in the face of it.

The difference between being LGB & being trans is that being LGB is about which sex you’re attracted to & it doesn’t (or shouldn’t) affect anyone else.

Being trans is about identifying with the gender stereotypes associated with the opposite sex. What’s ’morally objectionable’, whatever their motivations, is if trans-identifying males insist on using women’s spaces and joining groups that are meant to be just for women & girls. And it is mostly that way round.

To be clear I wasn't actually arguing against that view. I was only making the point that it's not necessary. I.e. that AGP's existence (factual) and its objectionableness (subjective) are separate arguments.

But dysphoria is not necessarily a completely separate phenomenon to a developing fetish. The young man i spoke of earlier definitely had dysphoria and actively hated his penis.....but even now it has been surgically removed his transition to 'being a woman' is still taking on an overtly sexualised tone.

For some AGP's surgical castration becomes a fetish in itself - as part of an intense pre-occupation with their female identification.

True, the whole thing is a clusterfuck really.

I've read Janice Raymond and Ray Blanchard, I happen to think that between them they are correct in what motivates these men. One thing I do know for certain is that they are not women who were unfortunately born in the wrong body, nor do they ever transition to become women. They are males and remain males, their every conception of what it means to be a woman is through a distinctly male lens and their "special woman feeling" seems to be some kind of autoeroticism based off of a highly sexist, male and objectifying view of women.

Homosexuality does not require anything from anyone else. It does not need belief, validation, compliance, performance, controlled speech or perceptions, or in fact anything at all.

Homosexuality does not involve ignoring other people's consent or rights.

Homosexuality does not involve involving non consenting others in personal sexual experiences, or using others in ways that are at the shallow end of sexual abuse, (which in some cases escalates to full criminal assault, in well known cases.)

Behaviours like this are not a normal part of homosexuality, neither is fetish or performing sexual kink in public. They are merely bloody awful and illegal, unacceptable behaviours looking for an excuse. Homosexuals (and I use that term for myself because 'gay' and 'queer' no longer mean LGB) spent decades fighting the image that their sexual orientation was not the same as sexual deviance and that they were as trustworthy and as safe to be around as straight people. Is there any evidence, anywhere, of TQ voices or bodies rejecting the sexual behaviours and putting clear water between those behaviours and of being trans? Or might it be too tied into the requirement of access to women's spaces?

The whole point of 'you can't make blanket statements' about whether men who dress as women is obviously, it is not possible to tell which man wishes to use you merely for his emotional gratification, and which man intends, as is openly recorded and shared on grotty social media sites, to sit in a cubicle with the door wide, having a wank at the exciting situation he is in, and shouting at any women who try to protest that he's a woman and they can't stop him. If you say yes to the first man, you have to take the second man too. And make women submit to him.

There is no space for case by case. No one's Nigel matters. The reality is that too many people for too long have been prissy about admitting that this is, for many men, a sexual kink, an overt, open, plainly stated sexual kink, and a sexual performance using women in women's spaces. This protects the men's ability to go on abusing women and silences women from being able to have any spaces that are free of such men.

My nephew is full trans
What is "full trans"?

He knew he felt different as a toddler and didn’t have words for it
Did his parents encourage this fantasy?

DD’s friend knew they felt different but was thrown out by intolerant parents aged 16; they now live as a woman but are quiet and don’t push boundaries
He. Not "they".
Transwomen are men.

Also, what do you mean by "living as a woman"?

@hahabahbag

I don't disagree with anything you've mentioned. At the risk of repeating myself, my main point is that AGP is a fact, so the debate shouldn't be: there are true transwomen and there are AGP fetishists; one unobjectionable and the other is the type of individual who give transwomen a bad name. Practically all heterosexual trans identified males (and they are by far the majority) are AGP, and as has been noted by researchers (Blanchard) many of them are the most stable in their transgender typology: investing the most time in the transition process, being the most convincing, having the fewest regrets and being the least likely to desist.

Even given that the large majority of trans identified heterosexual males (and a minority but still significant proportion of trans identified homosexual males) are AGP, there is still an argument to be made that transwomen deserve rights, respect and accommodation (so long as that accommodation does not involve allowing them access to single sex services and spaces or compelling people to treat them as thought they were the opposite sex). That is now what the EA 2010 is understood to mean. I invoked homosexuality not because being transgender is in some sense like homosexuality, but as an example of a situation where the public can find the idea of same-sex attraction personally distasteful, and still view gay and lesbian rights as justified.

I'm not actually making for how many or what rights transgender individuals should have, that's subject matter for a separate thread - I'm laying out the terrain under-which that debate should be take place, and should have always taken place.

Rowling's "Dress however you please", essentially was making that same point, and that's why it's powerful.

Virgin Media proudly told me thw other day that I now have access to Sky Atlantic (I assume they are hemorrhaging* *customers), so I suppose I have a chance to see this White Lotus everyone has been banging on about. Much as I like Sam Rockwell, this news has put me right off! 😁

So that makes the humiliation she's going through okay?

Oh look, my original comment has been deleted. I don’t remember my exact words, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t offensive, unless you are triggered by sex realism and acknowledging the fetish aspect of cross dressing.

Agree. We need to see more articles like this. And a slot on WH! Won’t hold my breath on that last one…

I can't think why it was deleted? Odd!

Unfortunately i knew this a long time ago having spent time a in gay venues, always owned and run by men, in the 90s, and having to put up with 2 males in my then workplace who insisted on being treated as women. The clothes these men dress up in are always extreme pornified versions of "women's" clothing, fishnet tights, low cut nasty nylon tops, plastic mini skirts, ludicrous stilettos that no one can actually walk in, awful cheap nylon wigs, terrible garish make up and nails, and fake squeaky voices - none of which I've ever seen a woman or girl wear or adopt. They are absolutely not trying to look like women, most of whom normally wear trousers, trainers and jumpers these days, often have short hair and don't usually wear shit tons of slap. It's nothing to do with women,or "living as a woman" (whatever that means) it's all about a porn fantasy of low life transvestite prostitutes and an extreme hatred of women, especially since more than 80%of them remain fully intact males.

I clearly pissed someone off by being honest

I don’t. She’s a disgusting person.

She defended the killing of two people by ICE agents earlier this year, before any investigation had been held.
She also admits in her autobiography that she shot and killed her pet dog (which she had failed to train adequately), and killed a goat because she found it smelly.

Quoting this because it can’t be repeated too often.

Homosexuality is a personal matter that makes no demands on anyone else.

Transgenderism is an attack on women’s rights that causes many other social and individual harms as collateral damage.

Maybe your post was accidentally deleted, when they actually intended to delete mine..?I think I was far more explicit in my honest descriptions and depictions of the sexual motivations and impulses behind cross dressing and AGP than you had been.

I used to feel that way too until I realised that they're everywhere in government, NGOs, and other power structures (local, national and international) and they're using their positions to undermine societal accommodation for women's need in order to make society suit their particularly male wants instead.

They're trying to force society to see women as a collection of sexist stereotypes just so they can claim those stereotypes make them women too. They're removing safeguarding so that they can enter female-only spaces and occupations. They're working to ensure that children are taught dangerous genderist thinking in order to provide cover for adult male fetishes. They're interfering with medical protocols in order to gain access to female hormones and thus reducing availability for women who actually need HRT for menopause symptoms.

They're everywhere, happily working away on fucking things up for women and girls.

At the moment too, particularly with Philipson looking increasingly like gerrymandering the SCJ, it appears that women and girls are facing an actual, significant roll back of their rights and equality.

As my appalling Labour MP has reminded me on several occasions: to some, the most important thing about permitting women to have rights, is that those rights must be properly respectful to men.

He is not talking about average, decent men. He is talking about the need for women, as a sex class, to be 'respectful' - he means submissive to - and uncomplainingly compliant to being used by the men described in the article.

Wtf do you do with a man like that? Other than pray for a time machine to return him back a couple of centuries. I thought this would stop when it all came out into the open, but I actually do think we're going to see a serious attempt, in law, in government, to reduce women back down to the second class citizenry of going on a hundred years ago.

Because? It's inconvenienced this very small group of autogynephillic men. Its also the same rights of women that inconvenience incels. I'm not sure that's coincidental. And there are women like Phillipson who seriously believe this small group of men with their very questionable behaviour and sexual desire to control and use and access non consenting women should have rights to do so without women being able to refuse them.

That is not a woman who believes in equality for women.

Yes : the difference is that they're not attracted to themselves, not autosexual in the same way. Wanting to be desired BY someone else isn't the same as desiring yourself. I agree it's not helpful for women either but it doesn't target then sexually in the same way as AGP.

I used to know one

Yes, Noem is unpleasant imo but no woman deserves to be abused in this way. It is abusive, inherently.