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The Bluestocking: To the moon and back gerbil style.

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Boiledbeetle · 02/04/2026 17:29

Previous thread of chat and general madness below

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5506124-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-spring-is-sprunging-and-mns-name-generator-can-do-one

Women: from an orderly queue at the bar or take a seat and grab a passing gerbil.

Men: turn left at the end of the road, keep walking until you find the Staunch Ally.

Bar gerbil a full fat coke please and a packet of Scampi Fries please.

The Bluestocking women's Pub- spring is sprunging and MN's name generator can do one! | Mumsnet

Welcome to the Bluestocking women's pub. Men are directed to the Staunch Ally just down the road. Otherwise all are welcome. Pull up a chair, give you...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5506124-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-spring-is-sprunging-and-mns-name-generator-can-do-one

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EdithStourton · 10/04/2026 10:46

EmpressaurusKitty · 10/04/2026 09:55

And <jumps up> I have dozens of seedlings that are in the middle of being hardened off and must go outside NOW!

How does that work, @EdithStourton?

Somene gave Kitty catnip seeds for her birthday so I’ve been growing them by a sunny window (covered by a drainer to protect them from too close inspection!)

I thought I’d buy some potting compost this weekend & move them into small pots but that it was probably a bit soon to put them out. What’s hardening off & should I be doing it?

I'm not an expert, but what works for me:
Hardy plants: give them 5-7 days of being out in the daytime and in again at night, then abandon them to their fate (well, plant and water them and hope for the best).
Half-hardy plants: give them a couple of weeks of being outside in the daytime and inside at night, and don't plant the really sensitive ones out until there's no risk of frost. Some of mine are only being put out in the daytime so that they get enough light, as I've run out of windowsills. I'm getting a cold frame at some stage.

Catnip is hardy and once you've got it going in the garden it will probably withstand anything except prolonged waterlogged gloom (that's what killed off my last catnip).

@Hedgehogforshort might have better advice so listen to her in preference to me.

I've got some seeds that are just not germinating. They've got another week, and then they're being booted in favour of something else. Seriously, how can one tray of sunflowers produce a load of healthy seedlings, and the one right next to it, different variety, produce zero?

Magpiecomplex · 10/04/2026 10:59

@EdithStourton seeds not germinating can be several things, but if they're sunflowers it's probably just that they're too old or have run out of oomph. That's a technical term, obviously. If they're stored wrong, they will stop being viable quite fast.
Some seeds need esoteric treatment to do anything, but sunflowers aren't among them.

EmpressaurusKitty · 10/04/2026 11:08

Thanks @EdithStourton! They’ll be going in a big pot on the balcony so once they’re a bit bigger I’ll move them into that & bring them in at night for a while.

Hedgehogforshort · 10/04/2026 11:19

Crop failure can happen to anyone, to harden off leave the plant outside for a few sunny hours and increase outdoor exposure over several days.

EmpressaurusKitty · 10/04/2026 11:32

DeanElderberry · 10/04/2026 10:07

I think I have missed the kid. Someone denying reality. I realise that doesn't narrow the field much. Also that there are indeed some actual humans who would fight with a feather and have no interest in truth, just in 'capping' what others have said.

The trouble with the Bluestocking is it tricks one into imagining that all ones fellow posters are intelligent rational adults.

I might be mixing up threads. I was thinking of the annoying teenage boy who was between leaving school & starting university & desperate to educate us all with his knowledge of sex & gender. He was a bit unhappy when I compared him to Little Owen Jones.

popery · 10/04/2026 12:25

I've clocked an old visitor on another thread a week or so ago. One that mentioned cleaning bathrooms and looking after a toddler or similar.

MarieDeGournay · 10/04/2026 12:34

DeanElderberry · 10/04/2026 10:07

I think I have missed the kid. Someone denying reality. I realise that doesn't narrow the field much. Also that there are indeed some actual humans who would fight with a feather and have no interest in truth, just in 'capping' what others have said.

The trouble with the Bluestocking is it tricks one into imagining that all ones fellow posters are intelligent rational adults.

I've spent the morning getting drawn into those kind of discussions😒
but in a meta-analysis [oooh get me!😀] kind of way, I try to spot patterns and patterns of reactions and try to get under the bonnet of the ploppers and problem posts.

One thing I've noticed is that facts and figures really really really annoy posters who have no facts of their own, and make them take the safety catches off their pitchforks. It's so predictable.

And if they are TWAW not TWAM, there's not much space for an intelligent rational adult discussion, is there? Ultimately it's never going to transcend 'Tis!' 'Tisn't!'

Thank heavens for the Bluestocking and the Bluestockingers💙Smile

EdithStourton · 10/04/2026 12:43

Magpiecomplex · 10/04/2026 10:59

@EdithStourton seeds not germinating can be several things, but if they're sunflowers it's probably just that they're too old or have run out of oomph. That's a technical term, obviously. If they're stored wrong, they will stop being viable quite fast.
Some seeds need esoteric treatment to do anything, but sunflowers aren't among them.

These were from packets bought this year. One had a sow by date and one didn't. Unfortunately I decided to label the trays once I got them indoors, and then forgot which tray was which, so perhaps the undated packet was old stock and those are the ones that haven't come through.

ChristmasStars · 10/04/2026 13:45

The trouble with the Bluestocking is it tricks one into imagining that all ones fellow posters are intelligent rational adults.

This is why I rarely venture out of the Blue stocking now, and avoid other parts of MN.

FranticFrankie · 10/04/2026 13:59

I think that there have been several posters with very similar styles- or is it my suspicious mind?
Someone posted a helpful pic, styled with threats taken from TRAs but was ignored by the popcorn eating sunlight shining 'amusing' crowd.
I popped on to support Hedgey but boy some of the posts are.. hypertension inducing

Agree Marie- and isn't it astounding how some posters think they are presenting arguments/statements that FWR hasn't heard before?
They don't consider that there are many intelligent women on MN and lots with a background in science!

PS; is it too early for a gin? Gin

MarieDeGournay · 10/04/2026 14:35

FranticFrankie · 10/04/2026 13:59

I think that there have been several posters with very similar styles- or is it my suspicious mind?
Someone posted a helpful pic, styled with threats taken from TRAs but was ignored by the popcorn eating sunlight shining 'amusing' crowd.
I popped on to support Hedgey but boy some of the posts are.. hypertension inducing

Agree Marie- and isn't it astounding how some posters think they are presenting arguments/statements that FWR hasn't heard before?
They don't consider that there are many intelligent women on MN and lots with a background in science!

PS; is it too early for a gin? Gin

Where gin is concerned, the Bluey is in its own time-space continuum. And spelling universe😁
So - sláinte!

The Bluestocking: To the moon and back gerbil style.
Magpiecomplex · 10/04/2026 14:40

They don't consider that there are many intelligent women on MN and lots with a background in science!

You're not wrong, @FranticFrankie. I had a science teacher once (male teacher, girls grammar school) who told students that girls can't do science because we can't apply logic. Leaving aside the obvious question of what he was doing teaching in a girls school, that attitude is still tediously prevalent these days.

PS, we complained about him to the head of science and he left shortly afterwards. That probably rankled, and he absolutely deserved it.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 10/04/2026 14:47

Talking of which, has everyone seen the fabulous post by TheAttagirls?

https://x.com/TheAttagirls/status/2042480899753701688

'There is no Woman of the Day today. Instead, I want to explain why I do what I do. No one really knows who first said, “History is written by the victors” but I’d bet you any odds it was a man.

Think of your schooldays and count the number of times you learned about the roles played by women in shaping history, other than regnant Queens and perhaps Marie Curie and Florence Nightingale. Yet women lived, worked, networked, debated, campaigned, organised, invented things and built them too - but you’d never know this if your lessons, like mine, were confined to history books.

For a practical example, just look around you. Fridge, washing machine, dishwasher, ironing board, home security system, call waiting system, car heater and windscreen wipers, even the very first computer algorithm: all invented by women.

Are you surprised? Confined to the house, denied access to higher education, barred from engineering, denied entry to all branches of science and the professions for centuries, those bright analytical minds turned their attention to their immediate surroundings and saw what was needed to free them from domestic drudgery.

In return, history ignored women’s achievements, glossed over them or consigned them to dusty footnotes. If all else failed, their work was credited to - or stolen by - men, the phenomenon known as the Matilda Effect, first identified by feminist Matilda Joslyn Gage in 1870.

In 1993, it was named for her by historian Margaret Rossiter who said, “It is important to note early that women’s historically subordinate ‘place’ in science was not a coincidence and was not due to any lack of merit on their part. It was due to the camouflage intentionally placed over their presence in science.”

Once you see it, you cannot unsee it - the Matilda Effect is everywhere - but now substitute ‘history’ for ‘science’. The proposition still stands. What I try to do is to pierce holes in that camouflage by writing about the almost-invisible women of history who overcame manmade barriers and changed the world.

As a Second Wave feminist, I thought we’d won all the big battles, that it was just a matter of mopping up the resisters and dragging them into the 20th century. I did my bit to redress the balance in an overwhelmingly male environment, but how had I managed to miss the barefaced theft of our words, our spaces and services, our sports? How had we suddenly been reduced to a walking collection of body parts?

It was a wake-up call.

Once I saw, I couldn’t unsee the terrible damage being done to girls and young women who did not conform to the offensive sexist stereotypes being imposed on them by men who mimic women and their inane female cheerleaders. It made me fearful for non-conforming girls: tomboys. They need to see strong women as role models, women who don’t care about performing femininity, women who defy convention and do things their way. If you can see it, you can be it.

So I went digging around in those dusty footnotes, found a little gold and started from there. I found thrilling tales of women who were inventive, resourceful and brave. Then I started sharing what I found more widely, tied to the calendar as Women of the Day.

How do I find them? Often by pure chance. I go looking for one woman, spot a couple more names along the way - women whose stories really resonate with me - and file them away for the right time. Women’s history had been right under my nose the whole time. I just hadn’t realised that you needed to dig a little. The rather unexpected bonus was that in giving them a voice, I found mine.

I am a conspicuously law-abiding woman, a former prison governor, and if you had told me when I retired that one day, I’d be standing outside a police station in protest at the hounding of gender critical women and singing “Go catch some rapists” to the tune of Guantanamera, I’d have advised you to seek immediate medical attention for the effects of the bump to your head.

But here I am, telling women’s stories, and behind the scenes, pursuing a second career as a women’s rights activist. I won’t ever fall asleep at the wheel again.

Tomorrow, I’m off to Cardiff with my Women of Wessex sisters, to protest about
@bphillipsonmp
’s inexplicable decision to delay laying the EHRC Code of Practice before Parliament — and make no mistake about it. It IS a decision; one that is causing real harm and damage to the rights of women and the protection of children.

Some of you come for the occasional stories of women in history hiding in plain sight, but I hope you stay because you care about fairness and safety for women. For now, I leave you with this thought from the 1949 memoirs of Somerset suffragette Nelly Crocker (1872-1962):

“Modern young women seem unaware of the price paid for their political and social emancipation, and modern historians have greatly ignored the struggle”.'

Lily Craven (@TheAttagirls) on X

There is no Woman of the Day today. Instead, I want to explain why I do what I do. No one really knows who first said, “History is written by the victors” but I’d bet you any odds it was a man. Think of your schooldays and count the number of times yo...

https://x.com/TheAttagirls/status/2042480899753701688

Wearenotborg · 10/04/2026 14:50

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 10/04/2026 09:48

Morning all.

@Wearenotborg Hello, <waves> not sure if you are new or name changed but welcome anyway.

Gerbils, I'd like a large hot chocolate and a croissant please. I've been gardening all week and need the energy (and a new back).

I'm singing at a wedding this morning so I've been doing some vocal exercises, much to the bemusement of next doors cat🎶

I’m new. And loving this board. I have found my people.

ChristmasStars · 10/04/2026 14:50

Welcome @Wearenotborg

EmpressaurusKitty · 10/04/2026 14:59

Hello @Wearenotborg! I’ve seen you on FWR threads. Come & have a drink.

MarieDeGournay · 10/04/2026 15:07

You're very welcome, Wearenotborg! You may already know the really important details of the Bluestocking, e.g. that any food or drink you fancy is [a] immediately available in unlimited quantities - swimming-pool-size G&Ts are not unheard of and [b] contain none of those awkward things like sugar or gluten or alcohol, but taste delicious anyway😀

The bar staff are gerbils, the maintenance crew are capybaras, there's a red panda called Rosie who is available to anybody who needs hugs - y'know, just your average pub...😁

MarieDeGournay · 10/04/2026 15:11

Thank you for that wonderful, inspiring piece, android.
I'll have a look at more Attagirl stuff, thanks for the discovery!

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 10/04/2026 15:41

FranticFrankie · 10/04/2026 13:59

I think that there have been several posters with very similar styles- or is it my suspicious mind?
Someone posted a helpful pic, styled with threats taken from TRAs but was ignored by the popcorn eating sunlight shining 'amusing' crowd.
I popped on to support Hedgey but boy some of the posts are.. hypertension inducing

Agree Marie- and isn't it astounding how some posters think they are presenting arguments/statements that FWR hasn't heard before?
They don't consider that there are many intelligent women on MN and lots with a background in science!

PS; is it too early for a gin? Gin

Yes, there have been several threads started this week on the same theme and I did wonder if it was some sort of cohort of people who would normally have better things to do e.g school or college. They seem to be trying to deliberately provoke, possibly with a view to making complaints that would have regular users banned, which is why I have steered clear of commenting on them.

Very intriguing post Android. Thank you.

The wedding this morning went well. Lovely service, bride looked beautiful and the sun shone - not the original forecast for today. The choir sounded great (though I say it myself) 😁

ifIwerenotanandroid · 10/04/2026 16:21

Something like this, @AuntieMsDamsonCrumble ?

The AI is now obsessed with velvet jackets, even though I started a new 'chat'. Thanks for that, Marie.😂

The Bluestocking: To the moon and back gerbil style.
AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 10/04/2026 16:29

ifIwerenotanandroid · 10/04/2026 16:21

Something like this, @AuntieMsDamsonCrumble ?

The AI is now obsessed with velvet jackets, even though I started a new 'chat'. Thanks for that, Marie.😂

If only! Grin

RandomHypatia · 10/04/2026 16:34

I'm staying the night in a hotel in the west of Scotland that has a complimentary mini bar. I haven't tried uploading photos before so don't know if this will work

The Bluestocking: To the moon and back gerbil style.
The Bluestocking: To the moon and back gerbil style.
RandomHypatia · 10/04/2026 16:36

In case they don't upload, I get a free tunnocks tea cake! Also, a can of gin and tonic I might open shortly.

ChristmasStars · 10/04/2026 16:44

Wow you might get some unexpected visitors soon @RandomHypatia

WearyAuldWumman · 10/04/2026 16:48

I cut my front hedge this morning.

A middle-aged couple walked past. He (jovially): "Daein the man's job, eh?"

Smash the patriarchy! He didn't mean any harm, but...

The woman tried to make it better by saying "Oh, you're making a better job than I would have!"

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