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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

460 replies

BlueSkiesAndSunshiiine · 29/03/2026 17:40

It's strange, isn't it? They really can't keep her name out of their mouths. Very baffling.

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 31/03/2026 11:57

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:45

Hahaha I’m not going to engage with you any more because you’re basically saying my moderate common beliefs (that all humans beings are worthy of dignity and respect and you have to practise what you preach) makes me a man, not a feminist, stupid, etc.
im not engaging with people who make silly claims, huge outlandish reaches and just want people to agree with them becuase like i told jkr, its just giving you guys airtime and making your beliefs have a bigger outreach.

i love having a little fanclub; clearly ive made an impact. Keep bitching about me #letthemspeak

"I’m not coming back"

Er........?

MoistVonL · 31/03/2026 11:58

Butterfly, you have conflated transwomen who enter women's single sex spaces (who are engaging in predatory behaviour by entering spaces that are specifically designed to be NOT for them) with ALL transwomen.

That's why you claim a PP called all transwomen predators. She didn't.

Thankfully there are transwomen who respect women and use the mixed sex or men's spaces. They acknowledge they are transwomen, a subset of men, and not women. They don't apply for female only jobs, demand inclusion in the WI, get changed in the women's changing room at the pool.

Men are at risk from male violence. Subsets of men - gay, disabled, ND, nonconforming, trans-identifying and others - are more at risk that others. That doesn't mean women have to budge up to make them feel better.

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:59

GreyskySexRealistsky · 31/03/2026 11:57

"I’m not coming back"

Er........?

You’re right. I said it once. You guys kept tagging me and talking about me. I shouldn’t come back to engage. I should have better boundaries.
But like I said. Love my fans 😂😂😂

ThatBlackCat · 31/03/2026 12:03

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:59

You’re right. I said it once. You guys kept tagging me and talking about me. I shouldn’t come back to engage. I should have better boundaries.
But like I said. Love my fans 😂😂😂

Be sure to run back to reddit now. You lasted less than a day before outing yourself. Pathetic.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 31/03/2026 12:07

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:59

You’re right. I said it once. You guys kept tagging me and talking about me. I shouldn’t come back to engage. I should have better boundaries.
But like I said. Love my fans 😂😂😂

Turn your notifications off

Boiledbeetle · 31/03/2026 12:22
Oh My God What GIF by The Bold Type

Fanclub?

DialSquare · 31/03/2026 12:32

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:59

You’re right. I said it once. You guys kept tagging me and talking about me. I shouldn’t come back to engage. I should have better boundaries.
But like I said. Love my fans 😂😂😂

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 31/03/2026 12:42

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:45

Hahaha I’m not going to engage with you any more because you’re basically saying my moderate common beliefs (that all humans beings are worthy of dignity and respect and you have to practise what you preach) makes me a man, not a feminist, stupid, etc.
im not engaging with people who make silly claims, huge outlandish reaches and just want people to agree with them becuase like i told jkr, its just giving you guys airtime and making your beliefs have a bigger outreach.

i love having a little fanclub; clearly ive made an impact. Keep bitching about me #letthemspeak

No, we are saying that your failure to engage with the consequences of your fluffy little #BeKind position does not mean those consequences do not exist.

Your choice not to face the full consequences of your comfortable blinkers does not impose an obligation on everyone else not to point it out.

Because the truly brave, compassionate and honest position is to face those consequences, own them and deal with them not handwave them away as "nasty" or "less important than this other thing over there".

The number of trans women who pose a physical or sexual threat may be small vs those who don't (though women sureky derseve a higher bar than simply not being directly physically or sexually threatened, because we all know this world built for men brings disadvantages for us beyond just that) but they are the only men who are being allowed into women's supposedly single sex protections, and that does matter.

lifeturnsonadime · 31/03/2026 13:26

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:45

Hahaha I’m not going to engage with you any more because you’re basically saying my moderate common beliefs (that all humans beings are worthy of dignity and respect and you have to practise what you preach) makes me a man, not a feminist, stupid, etc.
im not engaging with people who make silly claims, huge outlandish reaches and just want people to agree with them becuase like i told jkr, its just giving you guys airtime and making your beliefs have a bigger outreach.

i love having a little fanclub; clearly ive made an impact. Keep bitching about me #letthemspeak

You are not a feminist because you are more concerned about the feelings of men who identify as transwomen than you are about actual women.

Your beliefs are also neither moderate nor common.

It is not a moderate position to put the feelings of men who identify as women above the sex based rights of women.

It is also not a common belief, you only have to look at recent YouGov pollings to see that most people want single sex spaces to be for females only.

Mmmnotsure · 31/03/2026 13:30

butterfly231 · 31/03/2026 11:45

Hahaha I’m not going to engage with you any more because you’re basically saying my moderate common beliefs (that all humans beings are worthy of dignity and respect and you have to practise what you preach) makes me a man, not a feminist, stupid, etc.
im not engaging with people who make silly claims, huge outlandish reaches and just want people to agree with them becuase like i told jkr, its just giving you guys airtime and making your beliefs have a bigger outreach.

i love having a little fanclub; clearly ive made an impact. Keep bitching about me #letthemspeak

becuase like i told jkr,

Huh?

Boiledbeetle · 31/03/2026 13:53

Mmmnotsure · 31/03/2026 13:30

becuase like i told jkr,

Huh?

Probably more "I responded to one of her bigoted posts on X and told her to do better" less "when I was round her house for tea last Wednesday" .

Whilst there is a high probability that someone on this board (looking at you FWS heroines) probably was round her house for tea at some point I highly doubt it's that poster!

NotMyRealAccount · 31/03/2026 14:11

I have a nice Pirates of Penzance earworm now.

🎶We go! We go!
But damme, you DON'T go!🎶

Shedmistress · 31/03/2026 15:26

Boiledbeetle · 31/03/2026 13:53

Probably more "I responded to one of her bigoted posts on X and told her to do better" less "when I was round her house for tea last Wednesday" .

Whilst there is a high probability that someone on this board (looking at you FWS heroines) probably was round her house for tea at some point I highly doubt it's that poster!

It has been a while, I've not been back since I cooked homemade crisps and Bindel went ape on me. they were bloody lovely too.

DramaAndBullshit · 31/03/2026 15:44

WaffleParty · 29/03/2026 18:24

Do you have to be obsessed with someone to argue that their views are offensive? I don’t think so.
Would you also suggest that anyone currently criticising Trump is obsessed with him?

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Please quote, and I mean an actual direct quote, what she’s said that it offensive. Please. And I don’t mean ‘she’s a TERF, she bankrolled the Supreme Court campaign’ I mean actually quote, word for word (bonus points for proper reference links, or screenshots) the things she’s said that are offensive.

Because stating a biological fact is not offensive, or hate speech, or violence. But, if you know of a piece of writing she’s done or a tweet she posted that is genuinely offensive, I’d love to see it.

I’ll wait

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/03/2026 16:27

MoistVonL · 30/03/2026 16:35

@TheCozyWyvern - I didn't know Sanderson was a Mormon! Orson Scott Card was as well, I think, and the Maze Runner author. I just finished The Mistborn series and enjoyed it.

Funny that they are all post-apocalyptic authors.

(Sorry for the brief derail)

[derail] Sanderson is so prolific I have no idea where to start with his novels - would you recommend starting with The Mistborn? [/derail]

I feel inspired by JKR taking so much flak upon herself in order to protect ordinary women who can't risk fighting back. She and I don't agree on everything but I find her to be an extraordinary woman with an excellent, highly-developed moral character.

FranticFrankie · 31/03/2026 16:30

It is not hate speech to correctly sex someone!
I'm fed up of people banging on with the 'most marginalised' nonsense when talking about TP. They're not. But when you find MPs spouting this stuff, maybe it's small wonder people believe it

Butterfly- you really need to read up a bit more; can I recommend the 'break it down for me' thread? It's full of useful information.
I haven't seen anyone say they hate TP or call them predators! But the stats of offending behaviours of TW are out there for all to see.
Transcrime has useful stats - but there is some grim stuff there so beware.
Women's "beef" with the single sex spaces, sports, etc is from a Women's (hard won) Rights viewpoint and I genuinely don't understand why people don't get it.

This is JKR's obvious viewpoint too- have her critics read exactly what she said? Or just allowed their mates to say " hate speech innit" ?? There is a video about a student I think being interviewed about what JKR said and saying how 'transphobic' it is.
The interviewer asked him to read it and to be fair, this guy came back and said you're right- it's not what I was told or words to that effect. Earth shattering eh? Someone actually went away, read up and admitted they were wrong!
Be nice to see more of that

TW are not in danger in men's loos- largely ignored I'd guess.
They will never ever be more vulnerable than women and girls no matter how they dress or present.

CassOle · 31/03/2026 17:04

... and in conclusion:

  1. Rowling derangement syndrome is real.
  2. There is no middle ground between 'human beings cannot change sex' and 'TWAW/TMAM' because everything in between is still a lie.
  3. There is no possible way that JKR could have rewritten her essay or phrased things differently that would have gone down well with the gender ideology believers.
  4. They had to slap her down hard because she was on the left. This is why they cannot let this go - she has to be portrayed as evil. As a previous poster once revealed, fear of social ostracism is a powerful weapon that keeps people in line.
  5. There's probably something else, but I can't think of it right now.
TheCozyWyvern · 31/03/2026 17:18

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/03/2026 16:27

[derail] Sanderson is so prolific I have no idea where to start with his novels - would you recommend starting with The Mistborn? [/derail]

I feel inspired by JKR taking so much flak upon herself in order to protect ordinary women who can't risk fighting back. She and I don't agree on everything but I find her to be an extraordinary woman with an excellent, highly-developed moral character.

[Derail] according to my boyfriend whose the fan yes i admittedly havent read his stuff yet since its on the big backlog of books [Derail]

Back to JKR I just notice that she gets more shit than men who say the same things, say actually disturbing things or financially support causes that could fall under either whether knowingly or not. Its annoying to me.

SionnachRuadh · 31/03/2026 17:47

I suppose Orson Scott Card has been as thoroughly cancelled as a bestselling author can be, and I could easily think of other male authors who've been subjects of controversy or had their reputations posthumously trashed (sometimes deserving it, sometimes not).

But JKR seems to attract a special kind of venom. And downstream of her, it's female authors who have lost work simply for saying that sex is real.

I wonder if some of that, paradoxically, has to do with how female dominated the publishing industry is these days, and whether that creates pressures towards ideological conformism. YA publishing in particular seems to be an absolutely miserable place, with authors living in a constant state of fear because they never know who's going to be denounced next for thought crime. About twice a year authors are invited to sign yet another open letter calling for even more censorship and denunciation.

(There's one particular author whose name is always near the top of those open letters, who many years ago earned a reputation in Harry Potter fandom as a vicious bully.)

It might be that the residual straight male authors, working in low-status genre ghettos like spy thrillers and military sci-fi, are just able to keep their heads down and avoid all this Mean Girls crap.

SockPlant · 31/03/2026 17:56

afaik what Neil Gaiman has done is way way way worse than anything JKR has actually done. Are we hissing when his name is mentioned?

Perhaps someone can help me out though. Was in a chat with a load of millenials the other day and one of them confidently stated that JKR has said she will invest profit she makes from the new TV series in "anti trans activities". Is this even remotely true?

CassOle · 31/03/2026 18:06

I'm pretty sure that JKR buying a bottle of wine to have with her evening meal would be considered an 'anti-trans activity' by some, let alone putting her money into defending women or Beira's Place.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 31/03/2026 18:24

She doesn’t drink wine! She only drinks the blood of all the trans kids she’s killed . Do you know nothing @CassOle*

*this is a joke

CassOle · 31/03/2026 18:29

So, I can add 'Vampire' to the list of her badness.

MoistVonL · 31/03/2026 18:33

<Derail>
@UtopiaPlanitia I have only read Mistborn but it was definitely an easy entry point, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Have you read Robin Hobb? I absolutely love her novels even though I read some of the trilogies out of sequence from the others.
</Derail>

Rowling was reasonable, measured, compassionate and articulate for years. They still piled on, issued rape and death threats and were utterly unhinged.

Now she's figured "Fuck it, I might as well have a laugh," when idiots like Willoughby have a go. At least that's how it seems to me.

As @SockPlant rightly pointed out Gaiman turns out to be a serial sexual predator (allegedly , but I believe all those women) and he hasn't had a fraction of the monstering JKR has. It's obscene.

TheCozyWyvern · 31/03/2026 18:37

SockPlant · 31/03/2026 17:56

afaik what Neil Gaiman has done is way way way worse than anything JKR has actually done. Are we hissing when his name is mentioned?

Perhaps someone can help me out though. Was in a chat with a load of millenials the other day and one of them confidently stated that JKR has said she will invest profit she makes from the new TV series in "anti trans activities". Is this even remotely true?

To be fair im that one person who will hiss about Neil Gaiman (my poor boyfriend is familiar with my infamous Neil Gaiman rant- he doesn't disagree I just feel bad my passion about it can be long and grating). As a millennial no clue what anti trans stuff they're talking about.

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