Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

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It's strange, isn't it? They really can't keep her name out of their mouths. Very baffling.

A pattern in trans people who are very active on social media is that they all have very obsessive thoughts. That has lead me to believe that having a predisposition obsessive thoughts might be something that leads someone to being transgender.

I think this is very close to the mark. The determination with which some trans-identified people or self-declared allies project their own spluttering hate on to JKR when she has never actually expressed anything of that nature in public is not rational behaviour.

I know parents of trans identified adolescents (and had a trans identified adult female relative who has now quietly desisted) who have managed to navigate supporting their child without losing their minds, so for those who have thrown themselves fully behind "JKR hates trans people, TERFS want to kill trans people" I can only assume that this is a reflection of something that lies within.

She’s pretty up front somewhere in an interview where she says that if she were growing up now with her own circumstances she thought she’d be wanting to identity ad trans. Annoyingly I can only find a report of it in Pink News rather than the interview . I suspect that level of introspection hacks of TRAs no end as it touches too many never, and is a degree of insight that navel gazing and self absorption really can’t deliver

www.thepinknews.com/2020/06/10/jk-rowling-trans-terf-essay-transphobia-gender-identity-dysphoria-mental-health-harry-potter/

Well she has misgendered trans women and liked comments by others who have done the same or referred to trans women as men in dresses.
She talked about “throwing open the bathroom doors” to any man who said he was a woman. She is creating a false climate of fear. Trans women have been using those bathrooms for years and have gone unnoticed. You said ONE thing. I hope this will suffice.

Oh so you think that women's rights and the truth are transphobic?

I would suggest that some people are as unhinged about Trump as they are about JKR. But yes, agree with everything else you said.

Trans women have been using those bathrooms for years and have gone unnoticed.

That's not true though. Even if we didn't say anything, that doesn't mean we didn't notice. I don't particularly like to say this, but TIMs who can pass as female - at least at a glance - are extremely rare. If women don't confront them, that's because women are understandably nervous about confronting men.

I can say I don't like to say this, because I have an old friend who is that very rare thing - a transwoman who passes well, not perfectly, but well enough that you'd notice if you were paying close attention, but probably not if you were just going on a passing encounter. Do I think my friend should use women's facilities? It used to not bother me, but these days I'd say no, because you've only got my word for it that they're harmless.

As for JKR, it's remarkable how vehement TRAs are when they argue that a woman with personal experience of male violence doesn't have the right to an opinion on whether men should be allowed into female spaces.

They didn't go unnoticed.

Which one of the things you mentioned is actually 'offensive' and why?

In my experience the trans people who obsess on JK Rowling are really mentally unwell people. The level of abuse they have thrown her way does not come from happy, secure, stable people. She has absolutely nothing to do with their behaviour nor their issues.

Well that’s the thing. We have legislation in place where any man can just say he is a woman. It’s not restricted in any shape or form. Anyone can do it. That’s why it makes absolutely no sense to suggest that simply saying I’m a woman gives a man extra rights. As it is until a person gets a GRC they are both legally and biologically male. So realistically they are men who wear dresses.

I feel that this argument was already dealt with 40 years ago

Jk is a wonderful woman who I respect deeply and empathise but she has this annoying habit of acting like she’s speaking for absolutely everyone. If she was just a bit less focused on one minority group vs systemic issues women face (such as having to be frightened of men in women’s spaces in the first place) she’d have a lot of support. I don’t think understandably she ever got over Porto (who would that vulnerable and pp) and when she used her experience to talk about it again she was threatened by extreme tras who were missing the wider point. She is so eloquent. Imagine if she spoke for sexual abuse victims or dv as much as this. It’s far more widespread.

Butterfly google her charity and maybe you will see that she does much more than speak for vulnerable women. Her money is firmly where her mouth is.

You are projecting if you think she claims to speak for all women. She has never claimed that. Women have all sorts of diverse opinions. I would say a large majority of gender critical women agree with what she has said though.

Idk she just seems to have chosen this hill to die on and I wish it had been protecting child sexual abuse victims instead. I just think she didn’t deserve the hate she got but she didn’t need to engage with it so much either. I just wish she’d use her platform more widely. The tras are using her to amplify their voices. The more she engages with this and defends against it the more fuel it gets. I just would love to see essays from her on society’s reactions to sexual abuse or something. If she’s written that I stand corrected but she’s so eloquent like I said and people will read her.

Well speaking for myself I don’t agree I think this has been an era defining issue.

This lefts position on trans rights was a huge part in why Donald Trump won a second US election, so pretending it is niche is not really facing up to just how out of hand the whole trans issue had become.

I would much rather hear the views of left leaning woman like JKR who had significant issues with how the left were ignoring at best and giving away at worst women’s hard fought rights than hear the right leaning views on the issue. She has been thoughtful, measured and very fair in her delivery of essays on this topic and she was absolutely instrumental in the turn around we are witnessing now from the SC ruling to the IOC ruling in this last year.

She set up Beiras Place to support female rape victims and was called transphobic for doing so.

She funds the Lumos charity which helps children

She funds an MS charity

She helps women I'm Afghanistan

She wrote an essay on her own experiences of sexual assaults

She occasionally writes novels

What else do you want her to do?

Butterfly, she's written and spoken extensively on other topics, particularly vulnerable children in care - just look at the work her charity Lumos does to help children around the world.

Or that she paid the accommodation and living costs of those 103 Afghan female judges plus their families who were evacuated when the Taliban took power, which saved their lives. It was over £700,000, and she did it quietly. One of the other people involved spoke about it several months later.

The media ignores everything she says and does unless it relates to trans issues or women's rights. Then they are all over it in a tabloid feeding frenzy.

I think it's some sort of misogynistic bias. The reason? Men with the same views or ones that I qualify as truly anti trans existence don't get as much hate. Elon Musk despite being a true danger who disowned his kid publicly for clout has even been praised by the community for one tweet telling JK Rowling to be more positive with tweets (it was just him being misogynistic with a borderline "you should smile more" response since he was fine with men being "negative" in posts). Lundy Bancroft has the exact same views as JKR and yet gets the "he's a valuable resource" treatment from transpeople online and trans allies (he also has allegations of using his power to date patients which is gross but that's another topic). Brandon Sanderson is a member of the LDS church which has strict rules about trans members that basically don't validate their identities and as a member he pay tithing (which is required) so therefore is supporting those rules despite his own views and is beloved by many trans readers. Blizzard Studios despite having trans characters is infamous for their former CEO having shell companies to donate to politicians and groups that were far from trans friendly (other heads in the company same thing- also other horrific abuse allegations that are some of the most disturbing in the gaming industry but that's another topic) yet Overwatch and WOW are still popular with trans gamers.
It's weird (sorry I went overboard with examples).

Amplify Epstein voices? Redirect to other issues? Ignore the haters? Raise dv awareness so that when a woman discloses she is believed? Idk anything but baiting tras?

Why should she? Do you?

"Misgendering" means accurately acknowledging their sex. As GC feminists we reject the concept of gender identity. There is nothing wrong with using sex-specific language.

Men who adopt trans identities are men in dresses (although sometimes other attire). Sex in law relates to biological sex, not a legal fiction.

The trouble with allowing men with trans identities into the single sex spaces for women and girls is that, by their very presence they make it a mixed sex space. And at that point, any man can and does enter. Look at the high profile cases of sexual predators claiming to be transwomen in the last few years.

Was her disclosing her own domestic violence situation not raising awareness? Is her campaigning for single sex refuges not helping victims of domestic violence?

@butterfly231 She doesn’t bait TRAs.

She doesn’t claim to speak for you.

She does more for women and children than any of us could ever dream of.

Honestly I think we could give you a thousand examples or her doing exactly what you claim she doesn’t do and you still would not change your position on her.

This is all about your inability to update mental models you have about people where there is tonnes of evidence that contradicts your belief than it has anything to do with JRK.

I try but I don’t have her platform. I repost Epstein voices all the time. I advocate to people I know. I work in this area and so much work is needed but people don’t have her platform or litigation fund to say what needs to be said.
she doesn’t have to. I’m just saying what I wish she would do and why she annoys me. She baits them, they use it to gain more attention for a cause that deflects from the real issue and makes her look worse. I don’t think it’s funny or clever to go after a minority group when there’s the majority group that need people like her going after them more.
but that’s my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me

i think calling yourself a terf is baiting but you know that’s my opinion

@TheCozyWyvern - I didn't know Sanderson was a Mormon! Orson Scott Card was as well, I think, and the Maze Runner author. I just finished The Mistborn series and enjoyed it.

Funny that they are all post-apocalyptic authors.

(Sorry for the brief derail)