A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

There isn't a irony klaxon big enough for this comment.

It is the wrong way if you expect any other person to treat you as if you are materially female including language changes and access to anything that is a female single sex provision.

If you have no such expectations and you never use female single sex provisions nor displace any female person from an opportunity meant to assist female people to overcome oppression, then maybe. But if you use any description that is female language, then that is the 'wrong way for you to live in a male body' and it negative impacts on female people.

No it isn't. You can live how you like. That is assuming you respect women's single sex spaces and stay out of them.

Indeed. The Dutch protocol people were able to write up and publish that out of 70 physically healthy young patients who were all given puberty blockers one died as an indirect result of the treatment, and no-one raised an eyebrow for decades.

As long as they didn't actually write "oh dear this is a really terrible outcome and maybe we shouldn't do it" no-one cared. They wrote about how happy the survivors were. They'd done a study, they'd published the result, and it was full steam ahead.

You are the one saying that they are not and cannot be.

You are someone who made a conscious choice to undergo extreme body modifications based on an identity that lacks any foundation in material reality.

What other condition causing severe mental distress has been treated in making extreme body modifications?

Your assumption that 45% are unhappy is based off of what? What we know about is the 55% of people who did respond.

Well yeah physical pain going back to normal is exactly what we would expect. A good result.

The neo vagina heals over time, and whilst dilation isn't something we ever stop it goes from frequent to very infrequent over the course of a year. I know some trans women who dilate once a month.

Over time feeling comes back down there. Initially it's very numb and can hurt as the body goes through it's healing process, after month 3 it stops hurting. Sensation and feeling then come back slowly over 18 months post op.

Well, yeah, I think every surgery that doesn't go well is gonna make the patient unhappy? There is always a chance it goes wrong and this was explained in great detail to me before I had it. There isnt a single surgery that has a 0% complication rate afaik.

What?

I’ve never insisted that people refer to me in a certain way. My experience is that people default to female pronouns for me and I’m fine with this. Is this okay?

Not in actual transsexuals it doesn't.

Do you think a woman has to have a vagina, not a penis?

No. You know what some treatment options are.

Again, this is an identity that a person has of themselves that is not based on any material reality, just their own perception of themselves. You have yet to provide any evidence that this is 'medically necessary'.

Medically desirable, sure. Many extreme body modifications are. But necessary, where is the evidence of that?

Do you access any female single sex provision? Even a female single sex opportunity ?

I think there is nuance in trans women who are in the process of getting a vagina, but someone who claims to be a trans woman and has no intention of getting the op is not a woman.

Indeed.

They want to be 'treated like women'. Until they might actually be treated like women and get told that there's nothing wrong with them for twenty odd years before being diagnosed with endometriosis. Or not be able to get access to medical treatment because of the religious beliefs of everyone at their GP. Or have to demonstrate at length why a particular treatment (for example an ELCS) is both safe and cost effective and better for their mental health after hospital decide they had targets for CS. Or literally dying and their babies dying because they haven't been believed or listened to whilst in Labour to the point that it's a national scandal and the number of fatalities identified by the BBC is huge. Or not have autism/ADHD diagnosis because all the criteria were set for how males present. Or all the other female related second class patient issues where default human body is presumed to be male - including trans treatments - and is actively made worse by a push towards a gender neutral NHS when it's known this actively harms women.

Women often get utterly shit healthcare treatment and aren't taken as seriously as their male counter parts because there is a known and recognised legitimacy deficit and how women's health has to constantly prove or demonstrate it's worthy of any political interest whatever beyond pink month for breast cancer month on social media.

Id like to know the known data on the clinical benefits of facial feminising surgery. Why the fuck should it be on the NHS? Like seriously.

Maybe some more midwives before that thanks.

We absolutely suffer the same thing. It's called 'Trans Broken Arm Syndrome'.

It isn't.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

Maybe. Although Consultant Psychiatrist Az Hakeem who worked with trans-identifying patients for decades says he isn’t even convinced that gender dysphoria is a condition in its own right- rather a symptom or bi product of other mental health conditions and/or neurodivergence.

How interesting, not many trans women would agree with you on that.
Of course society in general also sees a vagina as something only a woman has, you are very on board with the societal expectations.

I wouldn’t and don’t use shared female changing spaces, but I do use female toilets when I’m out. When I’ve found gender neutral spaces I have also used these.

Yes because I am a transmedicalist and believe my medical condition has been taken over by people who think it's just a fun body mod.

So not a sausage about how awful it is how women are treated. Just a 'yeah we get it worst than you' in a 'better at womaning manner' whilst getting all kinds of treatment women are actively denied because they aren't 'old enough', 'might change their mind', 'arent cost effective' or just general can't be arsed with you woman and of course none of your issues are side effects of the drugs you are taking because yeah that would be an admission that the drugs don't work...

Funny that.

I see.

If you post links and you personally cannot find a relevant study and copy and post the findings with an explanation to defend your position says a great deal about the understanding you have of what you are stating.

Find the studies that say that these treatments are the only option and that they are medically necessary. Necessary or what? Are you trying to say they are life saving? That seems to be rather false considering there is no physical medical condition being treated that will cause death and even Strangio admitted under oath that there is no evidence of reduction in suicides.

So, where is the evidence that these treatments are ‘medically necessary’ which was your own words?

I didn't say we get it worse? I said we suffer the same thing. Because it is terrible that Doctors continually mistreat people that aren't cis men.