A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

This brings to mind Eddie Izzard, whose mother died when he was six. He's been quoted as saying everything he does is an attempt to bring her back. He makes me angry in his misogyny, but I think he's also a tragic figure, quite heartbroken.

As for contentment on the face of an unconscious child, well we all love our kids most when they're sleeping,

I assumed it was sarcasm!

CAMHS sure as fuck didnt mean 'ask Reddit'.

Munchausens has existed for a long long time.

Someone I know actively uses her daughter to justify and legitimise her issues in a way that's alarmed a number of us (none trans related).

It's a reflection of the old adage that your parents fuck you up and that some parents see their children as an extension of themselves.

The fact that a male in middle age is still going "you should do x because my mum says so" is a reflection of an inability to separate themselves from their mother.

This is another reason MN has been targeted because it's disobedient mothers or mothers who ask questions and say no.

Dysfunctional families and family trauma are something that came up in the Tavistock - kids from these homes were massively over represented. We think this woman we know simulatously neglects her child in some ways but then overcompensates in others. This makes the whole relationship toxic with her being overly controlling and protective on some things because of her own anxieties but utterly lax and totally lacking in other areas she should be protective. It's disturbing to watch. (For various reasons we can't just separate from what's going on). This woman is now flagging all sorts of agencies... As she should.

The thing is, if she'd been middle class she wouldn't be on a lot of these radars.... And that's not lost on me either.

Ooooo maybe 🤔

Well quite.

Mermaids has firmly been discredited for safeguarding fails. GIRES and Stonewall likewise.

This shouldn't be overlooked.

Didn’t India say “my mum accepts me as a woman” ?

Given the advice on the other current thread about families with children with trans partners is to try and avoid discussing it, just stay close to your kids etc etc, what stock can you put in anything anyone’s mum says? They’ll bend any amount of personal opinions and trot out a load of pronouns they don’t believe in to not lose a child. Hardly the unbiased opinion.

It's very odd.

As a Red says, these middle-aged men don't seem to have unattached from their mother.

Little wonder they get so pissed off here. And keep flocking to the place.

That is a seriously creepy fantasy he has going on there. Does poor old Ma live in a one-room shack with a tin bath hanging on the wall outside?

Unless, of course he has been making things up? Surely not?

"I know I don't "pass" I haven't been concerned with such a thing since I was 17."

"I had sex reassignment surgery in the early 90s."

Assuming those two things are linked.

However . . .

"I've been a bad trans person and went years where I'd not bothered with HRT. I was in my 30s and my GP at the time suggested I get serious about HRT."

And . . .

"I've been on HRT for over 40 years."

According to this narrative, an American gay teenager gets castrated but does not go on HRT for well over 10 years. Probably gains weight and there might be some gynecomastia (man boobs).

Research shows that:

• this combination is not sexually attractive to gay men
• a minority of straight men would be attracted if he "passed" but he says that he has never "passed" and has not cared since age 17
• they would be more likely to be attracted if he "passed" (fail), had retained his penis (fail) and had acquired an impressive bosom (partial fail?)

For medical reasons only he starts cross-sex hormones in his 30's.

• however, in a parallel universe, "I've been on HRT for over 40 years."

So much "living his best life" that, when he is not spending time with his mother, he is posting on Mumsnet, being snarky about "sex realists" and trying to persuade anyone who will listen that little gay boys are "queer kids" who should be medicated.

Assuming that FlumpyLump and her story are genuine, I fear for that child's future happiness if she persists in taking advice from Trans Reddit where, as has been proved in time and again, older men with a fetish for feminised boys hang out.

Don't forget the wives in his social circle, who apparently won't let him be alone with their husbands, given that he passes ever so flawlessly as a laydee😂

Oh...yes... mmmm

My mother has osteoporosis, I am well aware of its harm. I'm enrolled in the bone density clinic at the local women's hospital. I receive dexa scans every two years. I went decades without having any tests or measurements monitored, primarily because I was outside of the trans medical health system. Other than the osteopenia, since returning to HRT, there's not much health complication. All levels are normal.

No one was enabling trans children in the 70s and 80s. I am who I am. The 'pre-occupation' you see is my reading this forum and responding to the beliefs of obsessive hobbyists.

I would imagine, like myself, they were lost to followup due to just wanting to get on with life.

Is he still going?

No, my father passed away. We're sorting through all his stuff currently.

This is far more fundamental and important to us than a mere hobby, I can assure you.

Add to that a male person claiming to be a woman and telling us what that might entail is just downright offensive and insulting.

He sure is. My girl Janice Raymond said it best in The Transsexual Empire: "Masculine behavior is notably obtrusive."

Yep someone can't do maths. Or is lying about age or when they did x or y.

Is it the same mother who apparently went to some occasion when deceased, through some grammatical fluke, perhaps? Or maybe she identified as dead, who knows? I can’t keep up with all these mothers.

^ That was Numbersguy

Good luck with it all, it sounds like you have a lot to manage with your health.

"I've been a bad trans person and went years where I'd not bothered with HRT. I was in my 30s and my GP at the time suggested I get serious about HRT."

"I've been on HRT for over 40 years."

Ahhh.

So there seems to be some over generalisation here or just something not true.

If someone went on artificial hormone supplements at 17 and then had a break for 10 years, that doesn’t make “I've been on HRT for over 40 years." a true statement. That is more likely embellishing the truth in a weak bid to add credibility to their claims.

It is also then misleading misinformation to claim that there are no negative side effects after that type of time frame.

Lost to follow up but also...

CBC levels, baseline liver and kidney function checks are needed, as well as pituitary function. Once on hormones, yearly followup testing should be done to monitor levels and organ function.